From Introduction to Google Search Quality
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/introduction-to-google-search-quality.html
The details of the ranking algorithms are in many ways Google's crown jewels.
We are very proud of them and very protective of them. By some estimate,
more than one thousand programmer/scientist years have gone directly into their development,
and the rate of innovation has not slowed down.
As overwhelming amount of evidence shows, Google "could care less if you exist", unless they can make a killing off of you.
Simple as that.
In fact, that is exactly the reason why Google became what it is today,
and that is a SOLE information monopoly on the face of the planet Earth,
whose power and influence on every single issue, facing this planet,
is simply unparalleled.
Not even the most powerful governments and countries have such power, influence and impact as Google has.
Period.
And what do we do as a mankind?
Well, there is nothing we are even interested in doing, it seems,
because... Well, because Google is just some innocent business, "trying to make a buck," just like any other".
Oh yeah? Are you SURE about this?
Did you check your facts?
How long ago did you have your neural infrastructure examined by the people in white coats?
If you can stuff as much spam on your sites, as impossible,
that benefits Google in "tangible ways," and if you could imagine what those are with their size,
then, hey, you are the guy we like to deal with, especially if it is OUR spam.
But if you have the cleanest, most informative sites,
without a SINGLE ad on the entire site,
and providing the MOST to the point information,
even compared to Google, and by ORDERS of magnitude better,
then, hey, sorry, pal, we do not deal with people like you,
and we could care less about quality of your site,
the ease, with which one can view the pages,
the appropriateness of the material to a given subject,
much better and much clearer article formatting,
making it easiest for users to see the information,
and even if your navigation is the best there is, for any money,
and if your precision is thousand times better than Google itself can provide,
sorry, not interested...
Your so called rank, which is nothing but delusion, most profound, to begin with, would be zero, zip and zilch.
If you are lucky, you can get into "supplementary index", if you even know what it is.
Because that is our LOWEST grade garbage dump, where we stuff the people of your kind and creed.
And that is ALL for you, pal, and all others of your kind and grade. Not interested. Sorry.
Because that is our "unique culture at Google", we all brag about all day long.
And that is "screw everybody and everything". Until there is nothing left to screw.
That is ALL there is to it. You can cut it any way you please,
you can tell all sorts of hairy tales,
or you can howl all day long, if you wish,
and the end result will be exactly that.
Furthermore, if you even IMAGINE "rocking the boat",
we will simply destroy you.
Better believe it.
If even the most respectable names in the entire world, such as BMW motors,
begs us on their knees, and we simply spit into their faces, and tell them bluntly:
Well, to date, we have seen all sorts of Google magic, some of which defies the laws of physics,
such as resurrection of a thread that was deleted by someone. But the latest miracle is beyond
normal mechanics of the way google search engine works. Or is it a result of the most mundane
manual manipulation of the SERPs?
Interestingly enough, this newest miracle started happening after publication of reference to
the following article:
Hope you like that picture! I even asked them: by why BLACK man?
Does it mean "you not better than a nigga"? Still waiting for an answer on that one.
As to thread being deleted and then resurrected, that was the kind of thing never seen any place before.
Here is that thread:
http://tinyurl.com/muojkm
It had to do with the most unprecedented jumps in the number of pages indexed
while doing a Google recommended check on a number of articles indexed on your
site by specifying site:.... type of search.
But this latest one beats all others as all page views, resulting from google searches
simply disappeared. Just a couple of days ago, there were hundreds of page views
resulting from google searches.
Sites not indexed tend to not get a lot of traffic from Google.
Deep.
That is how these perverts and sickos, called "top contributors" start their orgies.
Subtitled: "Hey, we got another clueless webmaster here. Let's have zome fun!".
We are talking about sites that do exist in Google index for almost a year.
Search:
site:cppgoldmine.by.ru
Results 1 - 10 of about 289 from cppgoldmine.by.ru. (0.19 seconds)
Search:
thread site:cppgoldmine.by.ru
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,270 from cppgoldmine.by.ru for thread. (0.47 seconds)
Can you explain THIS kind of miracle?
Here is more:
Search:
thread site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,800 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com for thread. (0.08 seconds)
Search:
site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 356 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.06 seconds)
So, the whole site contains 500 times fewer articles than a single keyword fetches.
Can you explain this?
Did you get that?
Well, in case you did not, site:... type of search should return the absolute maximum number of pages indexed.
No search on any keyword, that can be found on that site can POSSIBLY return a bigger number of articles.
In our case, the search on a keyword thread returns 3270 references,
while the entire site contains only 289 articles!
Nothing short of a miracle!
Oh, you mean you still do not understand?
No problems, read on.
The site: command is by no means accurate when it comes to the total pages,
I have no idea where you would have gotten the idea that it is.
When they say:
Results 1 - 10 of about 68,700,000 from google.com
the of about part means it's just an estimate, often an inaccurate estimate.
It is not only "inaccurate", but outright "wacky", as one of "top contributors" states on this very thread.
And not only wacky, but KNOWN to be wacky, and for YEARS!
How do you like THAT one fer breakfast?
And what are you peddling here again?
It is not only an estimate of ANY kind. But it is no better than a random number generator would produce,
unless, as a matter of intercourse, it had a sticker "Made by Google".
And again, according to the same "top contributor", not me.
They only assemble the listings for the one page (the 1-10 part) being displayed the rest
is just an estimate, drilling down to further pages refines the total estimate,
but it will never converge to be 100% accurate unless the actual results are less than 1000.
Clear to any, even entry level, webmaster after a few days of working with it.
No one in his clear mind would expect these numbers to be something absolute.
You certainly are not the first person to see this, rather I'd say it's quite normal,
Huh? You call this NORMAL?
and it's not going to change no matter how much you talk about it.
Huh? And how much are you going to bet on this particular delusion?
How bout your left ball?
Just have some mercy on me, do not ask "but why LEFT"?
approximately: (of quantities) imprecise but fairly close to correct;
Deep!
So, you assume here you are talking to some degenerate of your kind,
who can not possibly comprehend such a deep wisdom, as what "approximately" means?
So... You mean 1000 times off is considered to be "pretty close to correct"?
Sorry, never heard of such a thing in my life.
"lasted approximately an hour"; "in just about a minute"; "he's about
30 years old"; "I've had about all I can stand"; "we meet about once a
month"; "some forty people came"; "weighs around a hundred pounds";
"roughly $3,000 ...
Oh, thank you for such an insightful and detailed revelation.
I was wandering about it myself. What does that approximately mean?
Finally! Thanks God we have people like you around!
Well, what DOES it mean then?
First of all, google recommends to do estimates on indexed page count by doing site:... type of search.
But if that "estimate" says 3,790 (for site: search)
and then THE SAME EXACT estimate shows 1,030,000 records then...
Here:
Search on mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
This is what search shows most of the times:
3,790 for mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
while the correct number is:
1,030,000 for mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
which is whooping 250 times higher in reality!
For particularly gifted, explaining.
If you perform exact same search several times in a row,
you may get results that differ 250 times.
In that case, WHICH of those results is correct?
Ever thought about THAT kind of thing in your entire life?
Just do not strain your neural infrastructure too much.
This is just peanuts. Wait till you see something even more exciting than this.
Just read on. At least YOU are on the right track here.
Or, is it possible to provide a BETTER evidence than screenshots?
Btw, notice that second entry "Dear Google, don't waste your time".
That one was destroyed by you know whom, just like all other threads,
even remotely hinting at any kind of imperfection on the Google's end of the wire.
What kind of approximation is this? What does it tell you?
As far as "and it's not going to change no matter how much you talk about it",
I hope you have the necessary authority to make statements on behalf of Google.
Yes, I know, Google has quite some things on their hands to deal with at the moment...
Hi pgelqued
For information about the number of URLs indexed, I'd recommend submitting a Sitemap file
with the preferred URLs through Webmaster Tools.
There you can see the number of URLs (based on the ones that you submitted)
that were actually indexed.
This number is much more realistic than the rough approximation given in a site:-query
(also keep in mind that the site:-query is a restrict, so it's
by design not a conclusive list of matching URLs).
Excuse me Sir. But we are not talking about how EXACT those results are.
We are not talking about how ROUGH the results are.
We are talking about them being TOTALLY WRONG, by THOUSANDS of times.
And if they are SO wrong, how come?
THIS is the very subject of this thread.
That said, one of the most important elements in having many URLs indexed properly is to
make sure that the content returned is unique and compelling.
Excuse me Sir. But this has NOTHING to do with this thread and issues raised.
If for instance you are hosting the exact same content on multiple URLs,
this can result in us only indexing one copy.
Excuse me Sir. But this has NOTHING to do with this thread and issues raised.
Similarly, if we determine that the content is generally the same as available elsewhere,
this can result in us not indexing as much as we might otherwise.
Excuse me Sir. But this has NOTHING to do with this thread and issues raised.
At any rate, focusing on the site:-query rough approximations will not lead to useful results.
Hope it helps! John
Well, the same way as flowers on the grave help the dead.
Hope it does not sound TOO confusing.
What kind of approximation is this? What does it tell you?
A bad one. Nothing, that's why it's to be taken as an approximation and not obsessed about.
You mean if you see ERRORS on Google that show a number of pages indexed to be off by 1000 times,
and you are trying to find out why, that means you are "getting OBSESSED about it"?.
Interesting concept indeed.
I hope you have the necessary authority to make statements on behalf of Google.
I made my own statement, if you see somewhere where I stated that I was speaking
officially on behalf of Google please highlight it.
Strange. You are one of "top contributors"
Google even refers to you all as some kind of experts around here,
and all you are saying is NOTHING MORE than your own OPINION?.
Did you ask Autocrat, who "RUNS" this forum, if he would agree with you on that one?
I thought you are some kind of a mouth for Google here, on webmaster forums.
Da ULTIMATE authority on something.
Otherwise, what are you doing here?
Spreading ALL sorts of unsubstantiated RUMORS?
Sounds a lil strange, don't you think?
Well, from what it looks like, what we are dealing here is MANUAL manipulation of SERPs
results and I happen to have a pretty good idea what kind of thing could cause such a behavior,
which is UTTERLY out of line with what could be classified as normal or usual behavior of Google search engine.
Every single sample indicates a manual modification of behavior of google search engine,
that would normally produce the references to articles, not to produce such references.
In other words, filter rules have been MANUALLY added not to show any articles from
the Programmer's Goldmine sites.
And that can be proven very easily. All snapshots and samples are taken of course.
And THIS kind of response from Google puts the whole set of issues into a totally new dimension.
Sorry, but conclusions are simply inevitable.
What it all looks like, is very primitive hack, whose sole purpose is to destroy
the Programmer's Goldmine collections
and suppress all the associated information indicating all sorts of issues, such as quality of results,
being hundreds and thousand times better than with Google.
Why are you ignoring anyone who is trying to give a legit answer. As for a solution,
it is an approximation.
You mean 1000 times off is the same as approximation?
Sorry, never heard of SUCH approximations.
But "learning" fast here.
also, make your site more crawlable instead of relying on the sitemap
Scuze me, Mr. "top contributor", but Google employee said exactly the opposite.
He recommended NOT to rely on site:... type of search and instead use the sitemap numbers.
(it really is hard to navigate), or get sitesearch.
some people are trying to help you utilize a free service and you are ignoring it.
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What is this meaningless blabber?
Is it what your "top guns" here are doing all day long?
What it all looks like, is very primitive hack, whose sole purpose is to destroy the Programmer's Goldmine collections and suppress all the associated information indicating all sorts of issues. <<<
I get what you are driving at here, I understand logic and how machines (still) differ from the touch of a human hand...
However...
If this is the case I'd think you would be better served breaking the news on MSN.
Not such a bad idea, actually.
So far, looks like the best advice I have heard around here.
But let us just finish this one off first.
One thing at a time.
There is no rush of any kind.
This is not exactly the end of the world, just as yet.
Many of search queries that show up in "Top search queries" on webmaster pages,
if followed, do not show the Programmer's Goldmine sites. Those links simply disappeared
from SERPs. Not even have fallen into lower positions. But just do not exist any longer.
And we are talking about MANY articles from the SERPs page 1, and that is top 10 positions.
So, what happened?
How could this possibly be? Yes, it is understandable there is some "new kid on the block"
and he is so bright that he can overshadow even the best sites on the net, at least in theory.
But...
For the query that does exist on webmaster page and is shown in the top 10 position
to simply evaporate? What kind of miracle is this?
What happens is this:
You look at Top Search Queries on your webmaster page.
It shows you at least 100 queries, and vast majority of them are in top 10 positions on SERPS.
But if you repeat the same exact queries again,
You will not find those same queries on ANY of SERPS.
Not on page one. Not on page two, and not on ANY page, for that matter.
Question: how such a thing is possible, even in principle,
unless some manual override was implemented?
Yes, the same queries may appear not in top 10, but in top 20.
But they can not possibly just evaporate over night, LITERALLY overnight that is.
Another interesting thing is this:
(not that it is something personal, but just to put things in proper perspective)
There is one giant site with a couple of millions of similar articles on it.
It is basically a huge garbage dump and contains every single article ever written,
without any kind of filtering or any kind of article format improvement,
or ANY kind of value added, beyond those, used to fool the Google search engine,
and stuff it with many subjects, containing the same keywords,
in form of thread references.
Just try this search: site:tech-archive.net
What do you see?
Let us check it right now: Holey Ghost!
Look at THAT one! It was 10 times less just a couple of months ago...
Results 1 - 10 of about 23,600,000 from tech-archive.net. (0.20 seconds)
Then look at ANY article, like this one for example:
http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/FrontPage/microsoft.public.frontpage.addins/2009-09/
Then click on any link you want, just like this one:
http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/FrontPage/microsoft.public.frontpage.addins/2009-09/msg00002.html
Got your magnifying glass with you?
Been to a neural infrastructure examiner in a white robe lately?
You need a heart attack pill?
How do you like to read THAT kind of art fer breakfast?
Hey, good enough for number sucking one on SERPS. Nothing less!
And THAT is the kind of "positive user experience" you get with the number one slots!
I'd say not only positive user experience, but ORGASMIC one at that!
Try to find the information of ANY value on it, even with a magnifying glass...
How many lightyears is it going to take you to find a SINGLE sentence of any value on that one?
Then ask yourself a single question: how could this kind of dump possibly get into number 1 position on SERPS?
What kind of magic did they utilize?
Well, look closer and think about it. Who knows, revelations may come down upon thee, yee mortal.
Well, for particularly gifted kind, unscrambling:
For one thing, what you see on that page is...
Tadaaaam! GOOGLE ads.
Take 23 million pages, each containing a few Google ads.
ANY neural activity SO far?
Secondly, you have the same buzzwords, stuffed all over the page via so called "related" whatever.
Then you see the same or similar thread subjects filling most of page content,
which simply translates into something that looks MORE "on topic" because you have the same buzzwords repeated several times.
And THAT is what constitutes suc-cess!
Yeaahaaaa
ANYTHING of any kind of value on that grand pile, that happens to come up as number one on SERPS?
Did you get THAT?
Well, in case you did not, here how it works...
What you do, if you have ALL sorts of garbage on your site, you are trying to capitalize on, by hanging ALL sorts of ads,
all over every single page on your garbage site, you simply do this:
Take ANY garbage page from some stupid blog or discussion forums.
Hang some keywords on it, that make it look like something that has something to do with anything.
And, here is the main trick.
Put the references to each article in that thread at the bottom of your garbage article, in form of thread subject or title.
Simple, ain't it?
You mean you STILL do not understand?
Ok, repeating for the particularly gifted kind:
When Google indexes your page, its omniscient Artificial Suckology bot, they call AI,
looks at how many times it can find some buzzword on your page.
The more times it finds some buzzword on your page, the better it is,
and the more that page gets promoted to the top of Google Garbage Dump,
called "rank", via gazillion "rules", called Google Grand Confusion.
Because with THAT many "rules", there exists no human being alive on this planet,
that can possibly be able to predict the outcome of it.
In case you STILL do not get it, it simply is nobody knows what is what and who is who.
Get it?
Not yet?
No problem.
Google does not like hidden text?
Hey, no problem. Just SHOW it to them.
Just put all the thread names of all the threads, this lil garbage article of yours is part of,
at the end of that article, as some cunning trick, pretending to show all "related" articles, and...
Tadam!
That article becomes more "to the point" then others!
It is called a Google Grand Discrimination Principle.
Since Google search engine is as advanced, as a bullock car,
and can not possibly find the information of REAL quality,
they simply give you the information with most BUZZWORDS.
Combined with this Grand Google Delusion, called backlinks,
the net result is what you see when you use Google,
especially if you are competent in some area, and are interested in specific, quality info.
Because what you see, mostly, in top slots of SERPs is what?
Well, some blabber from ALL sorts of blogs, chats and you name it.
Not only that, but according to the Latest and Greatest Grand Google Strategy of Zombification of Mankind,
that becomes just about the MOST important kind of information.
STILL did not get it?
No problem, just read on. Look around this book, and one of these days,
Tadaaaam!
Da Revelation!
STILL do not get it?
Well, just look at any page on that site above and look carefully at what they have done.
I can just tell you a couple of things:
1) Their stuff is a COMPLETE garbage dump.
2) They have over 2 MILLION articles indexed by Google.
3) They show up as THE number sucking ONE on Google serps.
Try to see what kind of gold they might have in ANY of those articles.
What do you see?
Well, the same crap as ANY place?
Thanks God. Finally!
And now ask yourself a question:
With THAT much marketing spam,
with THAT quality of page formatting, ease of being able to read that page,
and on and on and on, HOW did they get to be number sucking one?
See?
WHAT kind of magic did they use?
Comprehende?
Good luck!
On the top of it, most of the content in each article is advertising garbage. At least 6 ads per each page,
taking up over 60% of your screen space.
And this huge garbage dump is indexed by Google to full extent more or less,
and comes up as number one item on Google SERPs.
Now, what kind of google magic THAT one is?
Here is that site:
Search:
site:tech-archive.net
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,280,000 from tech-archive.net. (0.20 seconds)
So, what kind of "positive user experience" are we talking about if you compare
the Programmer's Goldmine collections, containing only the cream of the crop,
right on the money articles, filtered with the most precise filters that exist on the
face of this planet at the moment and formatted 10 times better, and, on the top of it,
not containing a SINGLE ad on the entire site?
Which kinds of sites Google promotes and which kind of sites google is trying to
destroy and for what exact reason?
Oh, you mean this article presenting the true face of what Google is?
Well, if Google has something to say about it, it can easily refute any of those points,
made in that article right on these threads for everyone to see and make up their
own mind about what is what and who is who.
"Let's see if those domains are still there in a couple of hours, shall we?"
-- Phil Payne
Makes more sense now?
Well. Not exactly. There are some questions:
What could possibly be the reason to destroy some DOMAINS?
First of all, there is absolutely not a single trick, used on these domains, to increase "rank".
Secondly, these are about the cleanest sites on the net.
Not a SINGLE ad of ANY kind.
Not a single example of ANY kind of visual garbage, usually stuffed into your face on vast majority of sites out there.
There isn't a single examples of page loading with all sorts of clutter, that does not have to do with the exact issue of some page.
The information is EXACTLY on the point of the subject of a specific chapter. EVERY SINGLE article of it.
The information formatting is the cleanest and easiest way to present ANY kind of information.
Navigation is as sophisticated, as it gets. You never loose you position on the site and your screen and all different chapters and index are kept intact, no matter where and how you navigate, which is unheard of on the entire net.
The information was filtered with the most advanced filters, known to mankind in order to present only the MOST relevant articles.
Filtering precision exceeds even Google itself by several orders of magnitude, which drastically reduces the amount of time, necessary to locate the information on ANY conceivable subject, topic, problem and solution.
What could POSSIBLY be the reason to penalize even the best and cleanest sites on the net?
By the way, even the biggest players in the world, such as Microsoft, that has some of the most extensive archives on the face of this planet, still utilizes these sites, and not only that, but even performs the SITE searches, to look for some specific information on these very sites ONLY, and not just all over the net.
And finally, what is this disgusting and violent idea of destruction, that occupies your mind?
Is THAT what you are interested in, doing all this great "free" assistance, you claim you are providing here, on Google webmaster forums?
UTTER and complete DISGRACE!
You have disgraced yourself to such an extent, that any individual of honor,
not that long ago, in terms of history, would jump off the highest bridge there is,
if he was ever caught with his pants down, like you were.
It is UTTERLY SHAMELESS and blatant VIOLENCE, and of the CRIMINAL grade!
You are nothing but a zombie, a despicable individual, who could NEVER be allowed by ANY
self-respecting enterprise, to even be PRESENT on its forums.
And the MOST amazing thing about this, is not only people like you are allowed here,
but they are even PROMOTED, and not only promoted, but promoted to the HIGHEST status possible.
And not only that, they are given the power to destroy the evidence of their sick orgies of criminal grade,
engaging in character assassination, defamation and slander.
And THAT, in itself, speaks more about what Google is,
than any of these songs you sing here all day long, filled with lies of ALL kinds, peddling DELUSIONS all day long here.
It was simply mind boggling, if not mind shattering to see how everyone is frightened or Google.
The same exact way they were frightened of Joseph Stalin in Russia, or Adolph Hitler, during WWII.
The same exact uncontrollable fear.
How do you know?
Well, simple enough. By trying to publish anything, literally,
that even remotely hints at ANY wrongs, done by Google, day in, day out.
And it goes to the point beyond obscene.
Various test postings were made to see the extent of it.
In vast majority of cases, if that post contained ANYTHING,
that even remotely hints that Google is not the manifestation of perfection,
those posts would be removed within minutes.
Very few of them survived for more than an hour.
Interestingly enough, on the same sites, blogs, or what have you,
at the same time as your posts, there were some simply outrageous posts of ALL kinds.
But that was no problem, whatsoever.
In fact, most of those blogs PRIMARILY consistent of that kind of sick stuff.
Not only that, but even if you submitted your material with the hardest facts there are,
even to some major, most respectable newspapers, and this kind of stuff can make the entire markets rock,
you would not have a chance. No one would even bother about it.
Not a single paper, including those, famed as the most "independently thinking and unbiased",
used every day by vast majority of people to check what is "really" happening in the world,
the same exact result.
Dead silence.
And here is the result of what happens if you raise your voice at Google.
At this moment, google indexing of Programmer's Goldmine sites is dropping really like a rock.
Here is the latest stats:
364 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
1,250 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru
1,280 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com
225 from cppgoldmine.by.ru
1,910 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com
11,500 from tarkus01.by.ru
Stats at the moment creation of "Google Index Drops Like a Rock thread"
http://jsgoldmine.uuuq.com/Convert/zzGoogle_index_drops_like_a_rock_22.html
(destroyed by "Top Contributor", Phil Payne
The reason he destroyed it?
"...because valuable volunteer time was being taken up to no useful purpose.
And my fingers are itching again."
And now the stats BEFORE publication of that article:
Stats:
June 30 2009 17:47
1,170 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
1,570 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru
2,890 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com
329 from cppgoldmine.by.ru
3,080 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com
14,300 from tarkus01.by.ru
So, overnight, LITERALLY, the index dropped at least 5 times on some sites!
Now, how is such a thing possible, even in principle?
Absolutely nothing was done to those sites.
The index can not possibly drop so sharply and so instantly in a single day,
no matter what Google does, or how it "improves" their great search engine. NEVER
No matter what!
The only thing this aligns with, is publication of critical article about Google,
and their subsequent review of it, which was registered and logged, and evidence is available.
The correct numbers of articles, that ARE in fact indexed by Google is tens and even hundreds of times bigger:
Stats as of July 4, 2009
Site http://mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Search on site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
61,800 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com - correct result
1,160 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result off by whooping 40 times.
Search on mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com domain, without site:...
Results 21 - 30 of about 1,030,000 for mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com - correct result
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,360 for mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result off by whooping 250 times
Site http://mfcgoldmine.by.ru
Search on site:mfcgoldmine.by.ru
37,900 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru - correct result
1,490 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru - incorrect result off by 20 times.
Search on mfcgoldmine.by.ru domain, without site:...
Results 1 - 10 of about 826,000 for mfcgoldmine.by.ru - correct result
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,460 for mfcgoldmine.by.ru - incorrect result off by 200 times!
Site http://cppgoldmine.uuuq.com
Search on site:cppgoldmine.uuuq.com
32,800 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com - almost correct result, but lower than it should be
2,880 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result off by 10 times
Search on cppgoldmine.uuuq.com domain, without specifying site:...
Results 1 - 10 of about 543,000 for cppgoldmine.uuuq.com - correct result
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,320 for cppgoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result off by > 100 times.
Site: http://cppgoldmine.by.ru
Search on site:cppgoldmine.by.ru
25,400 from cppgoldmine.by.ru - almost correct result, but lower than it should be
315 from cppgoldmine.by.ru - incorrect result
(off by almost 100 times.
Search on cppgoldmine.by.ru domain, without specifying site:...
Results 1 - 10 of about 513,000 for cppgoldmine.by.ru - correct result
3,060 for cppgoldmine.by.ru - incorrect result off by 150 times.
Site http://javagoldmine.uuuq.com
Search on site:javagoldmine.uuuq.com
10,400 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect, but closer to reality (which should be > 40,000)
3,190 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result
Search on javagoldmine.uuuq.com domain, without specifying site:...
Results 1 - 10 of about 459,000 for javagoldmine.uuuq.com - correct result
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,200 for javagoldmine.uuuq.com - incorrect result off by > 70 times.
Site http://tarkus01.by.ru
Search one site:tarkus01.by.ru
71,200 from tarkus01.by.ru - correct result
15,400 from tarkus01.by.ru - incorrect result, but better than other incorrect results
Search on tarkus01.by.ru domain, without specifying site:...
Results 1 - 10 of about 471,000 for javagoldmine.by.ru - correct result
Results 1 - 10 of about 13,600 for tarkus01.by.ru - incorrect result
http://mfcgoldmine.by.ru and http://cppgoldmine.by.ru
have not been crawled by the G bot for > 2 months.
The requests for "reconsideration" were submitted to google > 1 month ago,
even though there was nothing to "reconsider", but just in case. Who knows?
and canned replies were received.
Actually, those canned replies came directly form /dev/null,
for those, who knows what it means. Or, from the garbage dump department, for those, who don't.
Because those replies are meaningless. They don't tell you anything beyond the fact, that your email was received,
which you already know by the fact that your email program did not give you a delivery error message.
Beyond that, those replies do not mean a thing.
They do not mean Google will start indexing your site again.
They do not mean your pages are going to start showing up in SERPs again.
They do not even mean you exist, beyond the fact that email is deliverable to you. Simple as that.
No need to go to webmaster forums and get harassed, ridiculed and abused on the top of problem you already have.
Just relax. And remember the Main Google Doctrine:
Google is ALWAYS right,
and you are ALWAYS "wrong". Period. Full stop. Bas!
Simple, isn't it?
PURE elegance in simplicity!
the http://javagoldmine.by.ru was dropped from the index, for unknown reason, and even after
requesting "His Royal Reconsideration" several months ago, still does not show up
in the index, and that is one of the oldest sites that has hundreds of thousands of references to it on the internet.
Not even clear what was there to "reconsider" since there isn't a SINGLE thing
"wrong" with those sites, at least as far as all the google guidelines go.
ALL of those guidelines were studied and there wasn't a single thing found that
could possibly cause such drastic actions on the google's end.
Secondly, what kind of authority you could possibly have to evaluate the "value" of that "volunteer time" on behalf of Google?
After all, you are destroying thread on GOOGLE's webmaster forums, and not your own?
How else would you classify such an outrageous fact as allowing totally unauthorized individuals,
that neither work for Google, nor are paid for it, nor having ANY kind of written agreement with Google?
What could POSSIBLY be the motives behind such a strange and pretty powerful authority,
that has FAR reaching consequences, going as far, as destruction and suppression of evidence,
harassment of "undesirables" and their opinion, and elimination of any and all issues,
that even hint at most unprecedented problems of Google, as we can see in this very article?
Thirdly, what kind of "reason", could there possibly be,
to allow TOTALLY unauthorized individuals to destroy threads on GOOGLE's forums?
WHOSE idea is this?
What are the real reasons for it?
Because you DO seem to be posing as some kind of representative of Google's interests, don't you?
JohnMu - regarding your comment/suggestions about submitting a multi-file sitemap and tracking the number of indexed pages as reported by Webmaster Tools...what factors determine the speed at which Google bot will crawl the URLs contained in those sitemap files? Does refreshing the files based on newly added content penalize us in any way, i.e. should we submit the multi-file sitemap once and leave things alone until Google finishes crawling all of its URLs before re-submitting it with any updates?
WHO is talking about hijacking threads?
Those very people that do it all day long, every day of the week?
Those people, that engage in the most outrageous orgies of insulting the webmasters here?
How much hard evidence would you like to see? Just look around. It is all there.
Every bit of it, down to a single dot and comma, and even their original spelling. All intact.
What is the purpose this, "highly placed you know who",
that even has enough arrogance to claim she "just talked on the phone to no one less than Dr. Google himself,
and yes, your sites will be number one tomorrow, all tied for number one",
to come here to begin with?
Is she a lunatic. A sleepwalker?
Does not she realize that the hell will sooner gets frozen,
before anyone, and even of 10 calibers bigger size than herself,
will be able to talk to anyone of any significance at Google, especially on this level,
and especially claiming "your sites are going to be number one tomorrow as a result"?
Who are these lunatics, sickos and megalomaniacs?
WHAT are they doing here, on Google webmaster forums?
What kind of "help" these perverts and sickos can POSSIBLY provide?
Help to commit suicide, in utter frustration, seeing they are simply laughing at you,
while your livelihood is being destroyed by this monstrosity called Google?
What kind of lunacy is this? What kind of arrogance is this? How perverted can you get to insult someone in such a horrendous way,
as to imply that he is such a profound idiot, that he will not be able to even recognize what you did?
Grrrrr!
When Lions roar,
better hide behind the bushes, you dirty witch.
Because ALL your perverted orgies are on record.
As EVIDENCE
Yes, you, sickos, called "top contributors", by equally as perverted of your kind,
did try to destroy all the evidence of those disgusting and appalling orgies.
But do you remember what you were told?
"Things come,
and things go.
People come,
and people go.
But what remains at the end...
Is Truth!
And nope. Truth is not subjective, like one of your bozos said. Never been. Can not be, even in principle.
And the hell itself will sooner gets frozen,
before nothing less than Truth itself
will become subjective.
Something, you can put on your peanut and then throw it into a garbage can,
saying: I do not like it any more. I want to switch the color of my trousers.
Let us see here.
And who is Dr. Google? Too much drugs?
Too much perversion?
Sick sense of humor, humiliating those poor webmasters, that already have a hell of a time?
Laughing at them and ridiculing them all they long, like they do here, on Google webmasters forums all the time?
What is the very purpose, she came here on this thread?
Ask her!
(a thread from a poster that has managed to drive a lot of folk away, at that),
you'd get a better/faster answer if you started your own.
Did you see that?
It is in bold.
And HOW SO?
What did that "evil", which is obvious by implication, person do to "drive a lot of folk away"?
Any specific reference?
Evidence of fact of ANY kind?
You mean asking the question: how come Google shows 1000 times difference on number of pages indexed on my sites?
And how come index dropped almost 10 times in a single day, which is simply impossible, no matter WHAT Google does,
unless it MANUALLY, and DELIBERATELY modifies the behavior of search engine,
to SPECIFICALLY kill some site?
I, as a highest level expert in this gobbledy gook, you can find for ANY money,
am willing to testify in ANY court of ANY land
that such a thing is simply impossible under ANY conditions conceivable
in a properly functioning system.
NEVER!
It was an act of virtual murder. Simple as that.
Do you UNDERSTAND what it says there?
And THAT is what you came here to announce?
To add an insult on the top of injury?
Nice, huh?
Dear lady witch, how is your day today?
Sucking enough blood?
To make you happy?
Do you remember this, by ANY humble chance, my dear "volunteer":
Ashley
Level 4
7/2/09
"Blowhard? Goodness Phil. I love it!"
And you, my dear, honorable lady, said it in relation to what?
To things like these?
"Maybe, and just maybe...
Programmer's Goldmine Collections is just a collection of crap scraped
from other sites and cobbled together".
Hallelujah
"Maybe...
The author of Programmer's Goldmine Collections is a blowhard who
should be ignored."
Betabob - you're hijacking a thread (a thread from a poster that has managed to drive a lot of folk away, at that), you'd get a better/faster answer if you started your own.
Google does manipulate search results, at least in this particular case,
and if they can do it in one case, what prevents them from doing it in any other?
During the last week, all of a sudden, page views resulting from google searches have simply disappeared.
Furthermore, if you repeat the search with search queries that show up in "Top search queries" on webmaster pages,
you won't be able to see the links to Programmer's Goldmine sites even though most of those
queries are reported to be in top 10 positions.
Not only they do not appear in top 10, but simply do not show up in SERPs at all,
no matter how many pages you review.
And we are not talking about a couple of queries, which is possible for variety of reasons.
We are talking about many queries.
This happened rapidly, in a single day. Google search engine does not work like this.
For sites of this size, containing at least 50,000 articles per site, it normally takes months
to update the index.
Interestingly enough, there isn't a single thing that is "wrong" with these sites.
On the top of it, these are some of the cleanest sites on the net that do not utilize a single trick
to improve the ranking in any way, shape or form.
The sites are fully crawlable and some of them exist for more than a year.
What is interesting is that several weeks have passed since publication of original
article on "Google Index Drops Like a Rock" thread
zzGoogle_index_drops_like_a_rock_22.html
(destroyed by "Top Contributor", Phil Payne), and, to date, there has not been a single
explanation of the most dramatic and totally unexplainable variations in SERPs results,
that could possibly cause such unprecedented jumps in a number of pages indexed,
by 1000 times in some instances, by merely repeating exactly the same search.
All the "explanations" produced to date have absolutely nothing to do
with specific issues discussed, and as hard of an evidence, as it gets, and that is screenshots.
No wonder one of top Google lawyers has quit recently. I bet he knows some very interesting things.
The same thing is with some top developers and architects at google.
And so I claim that following article does accurately correspond to the reality of
what Google is and what kind of things it is capable of doing and the very nature
of webmaster help forums.
Top Contributor
Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/17/09
>>> Not only they do not appear in top 10, but simply do not show up in SERPs at all
Really need an user opinion on that?
>>> and that is one of the oldest sites that has hundreds of thousands of references to it on the Internet.
No, it doesn't have "hundreds of thousands" of references on the Internet. I have already explained that in the other threads.
>>> since there isn't a SINGLE thing "wrong" with those sites
It has been explained at length that cross-site duplication is a major issue there,
You can not POSSIBLY explain ANYTHING, Mr. Ding Dong.
Because...
Well, for particularly gifted:
Because you are NOBODY. Literally.
At least as far as Google mechanics go.
Yes, you ARE somebody indeed.
Remember Dr. Engel?
Rings the bell?
but you wouldn't listen,
Correct. I do not listen to fools of all kinds, just like yourself.
Otherwise, I would loose my skin LONG time ago.
you'd insist on having "mirrors".
Yes, I do, and in the most definitive ways.
Mirrors are not going ANYWHERE, even if Google goes to hell.
Mirrors will stay.
And that is PRECISELY why these collections are the MOST reliable collections, among ANY you can find on the net.
I can GUARANTEE you reliability of about 99.999%,
only if that stoopid Google would realize what they are doing by penalizing perfectly valid sites for it.
If you need "mirrors" for some reason,
The reasons for mirrors are well known, Dr. Mengele.
have them, but close them to the search engine robots.
Screw those robots.
I do not like robots to begin with.
It is not MY problem that Google is so senile that some people in SOME countries
will have less reliable access to these collections.
By now, every single player in software business knows about these collections.
If they are stoopid enough to rely on Google,
Well, be it.
It is not MY problem. It is THEIRS!
They will simply not be able to find the most critical things they are looking for.
Too bad.
Heard that one before?
But...
The GOOD news is that in SOME countries, and those are the most active and most promising players,
these very collections ARE available at the highest reliability level possible under the circumstances.
This means THOSE particular countries, search engines and you name it will have an advantage and will benefit from it,
and I do like that one. It is long time due they had as superior access to the most advanced technologies and association information base.
have them, but close them to the search engine robots.
Screw those.
I am happy as it is.
If you don't, the search engines will do it for you - they did now.
They can go to hell as far as I am concerned.
I am perfectly happy with the way it is right now.
And you are right, to duplicate like you do, is not against the guidelines,
it's just pointless. As it's not against the guidelines,
also a reconsideration request can't do anything conceivable.
One more time: screw ALL that.
I am not doing ANYTHING "wrong". Just the other way around,
and I am not changing ANYTHING that PERFECTLY works right now.
Because of some Google degenerates, sick to the very roots of their being, those perverts,
that bloated to the size of a transport helicopter.
"To conclude, I'd like to point out that in the majority of cases,
having duplicate content does not have negative effects on your site's presence
in the Google index."
Tadaaaa!
And THAT is what these fools, called "top contributors" are peddling here all day long.
DELUSIONS.
Yai, Dr. Google. It hurts!
Duplicate content can not possibly explain the kind of behavior observed with ALL these
unexplainable and simply stratospheric jumps in google index, SERPs, and disappearance
of PG sites from SERPs, under ANY conditions in a normally functioning systems.
Finally, not a single one of you, so called top contributors have the necessary authority
or technical competence to make ANY statements as to how exactly Google does what it does.
To the best of my knowledge, NONE of you are authorized by Google to make such statements.
NONE of you have been trained in search engine mechanics and internals.
And NONE of you have ANY association with Google beyond these quite unusual abilities
to destroy threads, which, in plenty of cases, means destruction of evidence.
The bottom line: whatever you say here is based on rumors.
On the top of it, your very presence on these threads vitally depends on users to be "wrong"
so that you could provide your "professional" SEO "services".
Basically, ALL of you are spamming these forums and are milking them for SEO business,
trying to concoct some kind of problem even when there is no problem in reality.
How many times you, "top contributors" told me "you REALLY need a professional SEO"
if you want to fix your problems?
Do not listen to these corrupt perverts,
manipulating your guilt
and making you somehow "inferior" or "dishonest".
They ALWAYS do that kind of thing,
being cowards they are.
There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with your site,
no matter how cunning you are,
or how intensely you are trying to climb on the top of others,
in that Grand Delusion, called Google Garbage Machine.
Because it is broken.
And in the MOST profound ways.
Not YOU!
Hallelujah!
In most of cases I am personally aware of, there is not problem with a site.
But there IS a problem with Google.
Because their search engine is based on fundamentally wrong architecture and principles.
Information is just information.
If you can not extract meaning from information itself,
because you really do not understand what information as such is,
you can not blame USERS for YOUR screwups and delusions.
Information has NOTHING to do with stoopid alt text!
It has NOTHING to do with the size of your h1 header!
It has NOTHING to do with your stoopid links!
It has NOTHING to do with OTHER stoopid links, pointing to your site.
It has NOTHING to do with this "duplicate content" delusion!
And it has NOTHING to do with almost ANYTHING that Google search engine architecture is based upon.
Just because that stoopid Google Garbage Machine can not FIND that information,
because it is just WAY too stoopid to do that kind of thing,
it does not mean it is YOU or YOUR problem.
ALL it means THEY can not find it. Because THEY are screwed up.
Simple as that.
And do not underestimate these statements.
Because you will regret it one day.
And I am telling it to you with full confidence.
Even their most efficient performance, which does deserve some approval,
has ALREADY been beaten by Microsoft and its BING engine,
only if you had enough competence to even comprehend such a thing.
And the very fact that this arrogant "new kid on the block", called Google,
has enough arrogance to challenge no one less than Microsoft itself,
operated directly under guidance of the ULTIMATE Evil, if you can even comprehend what that is,
is an utmost arrogance.
Google served its purpose,
and now has come the time to throw it away into the garbage bin of history,
like a used condom.
It will never be, even in principle, that, which defines what information is.
And that has been said after STUDYING its architecture and the most fundamental principles
by no one less than Acharya Veeren,
the Council Of Osho
on the subjects of Arts and Science.
-- Signed and sealed.
Acharya Veeren.
on this day, October 11, of year 2009,
since the day of one of the brightest starts that have ever walked the face of this planet,
and on behalf, and in full authority,
to represent Osho himself, at least on these particular subjects,
the beloved musician of His,
that played for Him and His People
during the most critical, and most productive time.
And, after looking at these sites, to date, you could not
find anything that is "wrong" with any of them, beyond this foolish duplicate content thing,
that Google claims in no uncertain terms it knows how to deal with and how to distinguish things,
which is in fact supported by the numerous observations of how these particular sites are being
indexed by Google and the history of statistical data.
"Basically, ALL of you are spamming these forums and are milking them for SEO business, trying to concoct some kind of problem even when there is no problem in reality."
Im not.
turned down an offer to do seo the other day - first time someone has asked me.
dont do seo for other ppl unless they are friends.
You are clearly not getting your facts straight - on this thread and on others.
"You are clearly not getting your facts straight - on this thread and on others."
Which "facts"?
I'd like to see a SINGLE statement that actually has to do with the issues discussed on these threads instead of all these totally ungrounded concoctions and fabrications, sucked out of one's finger.
Snapshot, Dr. Delusion Supreme. Non just some fabrication like yours.
Based in FACTS of REALITY, and not fiction, you peddle here all day long.
Do you see the difference, perverts?
WHO are you talking to, you stoopid ding dongs,
making all these empty sounds,
like a cow bell,
being dragged behind the bullock card of history of time?
Do you even know?
Do you think it is just another bozo, just like all those, you torture here all day long?
And why would you make such assumption? Based on what FACTS of WHAT REALITY?
And that is a SINGLE site. There are over 5 million of references to
Yes, there are.
Programmer's Goldmine sites on the net according to Google's own SERPs,
and screenshots of every single correct result is available.
But screw that ANY way you cut it.
To get any better evidence than that,
we would have to get a court order in order to examine all those stinky archives of Google.
Btw, as hard of an evidence as there is, the screenshots are available to prove every single point made in any of the threads related to most
unbelievable and unprecedented behavior of Google SERPs and utterly erroneous and inconsistent search results.
And this latest Google "miracle" of disappearance of PG sites from SERPs. One more time: during the entire week there has been no referrals from Google on page views.
The harder evidence of google search results manipulation can only be obtained via investigation. Simple as that.
But the fact of search results manipulation is undeniable at this point.
and your statement "This is not a profitable enterprise for people of your kind" is based certainly based on fact and evidence.
It doesn't matter, and you answered about like I expected.
My parting advice is to stay behind your keyboard my friend, because there are people that would make venturing from behind it a very unprofitable enterprise for you and people of your kind.
One innocent article addressing these issues was published here:
http://blogoscoped.com/forum/157553.html
After it has been viewed by some Google employee from their world headquarters
in Mountain View, CA, USA, it was deleted from blogoscoped.com
Yep. Those degenerates STILL have all the stoopid Masonic symbology,
even after several months,
the same crap that was there for only God knows how long,
and most of them do not even know.
They think it is some "kinky stuff to play with"
What a bunch of dummies, to be taken advantage of!
REAL Google clients!
THAT kind of crap is what Google is peddling on the top slots of their Zombification Engine.
You are not addressing the issues of this thread. Are you trying to hijack the thread with totally inappropriate and insulting remarks? Or just trying to get famous?
Sorry ...John... - I know I should be avoiding this one ...
but it's the Freak-Show syndrome ...
you just have to come and look at the demented little thing :D
Uhu, lying again, as usual?
Just look a the AVALANCHE of your own concoctions below,
totally hijacking this thread and converting it into a garbage dump of idiocy of yours,
so no one, in his clear mind, would even bother reading this lowest grade crap.
How many times were you told I am not interested in your particular opinion,
in ANY way, shape or form?
Why are you doing this, Mr. top contributor to this Grand Google Garbage Dump,
called webmaster forums, where all sorts of clueless fools, called top contributors,
peddle their delusions all day long, and present them as facts?
I'll try to avoid the muppet in future - I promise ....
jsut one m,ore look at the silly little thing before I go (and hoards of others
show up and look at the renowned imbecilic behavior).
:Stares at the grotesquely behaving little thing:
:grimaces: :leaves:
I don't think it's possible to hijack a thread of incoherent ramblings,
anything random added to it only adds to the disorder of it,
instead of infinity we end up with infinity plus one, not much difference....
did you see the size of that chicken?
I would say this is EXACTLY "on topic".
Right, Mr. "top contributor" to the Grand Google Garbage Dump?
Top Contributor
Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/17/09
1
person
says this answers the question:
umm, you do realize in that screen shot you provided that not one domain shown is mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com and with the quotes you are only finding pages that use the term?
Maybe you should visit search basics, it's a good read for newbies.
OK, let's contribute some evidence and facts again.
(This time: 1. Print it out. 2. Read it. 3. Read it a second and a
third time. 4. Try to understand - 5. Take it to a friend, let him
read it. 6. Discuss what you've learned - 7. Understand - 8. Enjoy
enlightenment)
1. http://www.google.com/search?q=mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
gives about 1.050.000 results (I've already explained these are not all mentions of your URL anything containing "goldmine" "uuuq" etc.
could also be shown for this query, so this figure doesn't say
something about your domain). What's more, a few dozen of results are
shown only, then you'll read:
One of top contributors has difficulties with comprehending the fact,
that mfcgoldmine is so unique, that it is irrelevant how you combine it
within domain name, and, therefore, makes the incorrect conclusion,
that the search, returning 1,050,000 references, may also include results
of partial parsed tokens, of domain name or various components of it.
Apparently he does not realize that the keyword "mfcgoldmine" is so unique,
that no matter how you combine it, the search result will be exactly the same.
The same is applicable to the "rest... of the story"
In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted
some entries
very similar to the 36 already displayed. (This means that about a million of your Internet referrals are worthless)
Gives 2.200 results. This is the query for your URL
mentions otherwhere included. Funny: they show results from this forum
first, from the old group then, followed by some unknown sites, these
again followed by a bunch of low-value russian sites mentioning or
linking your site's URL. After a handful of result pages (less than 40
results here), you'll find again this:
In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted
some entries
very similar to the 36 already displayed. (98% redundancy could be assumed, we're always talking about rough figures though, could be 90% only as well)
Zero results - (<<< is this a Google conspiracy
again^^? Wait for the next point before freaking out, you're in for a
bad surprise ;-))
4. A site search on http://www.yahoo.com/ reveals the most interesting result of this sad list: the great number of 30 inlinks (in words thirty, that's ridiculous, any other site has hundreds the least), funny again: half of them are from this forum (group) :D
You won't expect Google to consider your weakly linked, poorly
referenced and almost unknown scraping site an important source for anything?
This plus the DC-situation explained above - which, btw., is
very different from the "scraper-situation" you described, because of
the link neighbourhood of all your mirrors - makes perfectly up for a
technical drop-out of the index. Nothing wrong with that. It's not even
Google, it's the Internet that has let your site down, numbers prove
that.
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So far the facts and evidence you longed for ... now the rant:
Sorry to dis-appoint you, but I do not deal with fiction and snake oil salesmen,
who can not possibly know what they are talking about because of a simple reason, Google runs "opaque business model", according to one of "top contributors",
and, therefore, whatever Google wants to tell you, it already does.
Whatever it does NOT tell you, means no one in the whole free sucking world knows it,
and that is EXACTLY how it is meant to be.
ALL your blabber about and about and about is nothing more than bluff.
You OBVIOUSLY do not know what you are talking about,
and that is the way it is meant to be,
and that is precisely one of the reasons Google has you around.
Because this way, they can claim it is not them, who distributes this disinformation.
Do you think there are no reasons Google itself created this so called industry of con men
and snake oil salesmen, calling themselves SEO?
Are you aware of this fact?
"Let them talk their brains off. Little does it matter to us".
>>> To the best of my knowledge, NONE of you are authorized by Google to make such statements.
Such? Anytime. Need no authorization for those (comprises all I've made so far).
>>> NONE of you have been trained in search engine mechanics and internals.
I've read the one or other thing in books or on the net, I've been a webmaster before Google even came into existence ... ;-)
>>> And NONE of you have ANY association with Google
Right. Therefore no association has been alleged. If we were associated to Google, it would be clearly stated here.
As search result shows, the search was performed on a LITERAL string
"mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com", which is shown in results message:
"Results 1 - 10 of about 1,030,000 for "mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com". (0.32 seconds)
Actually, retesting the case shows even more exciting results:
Search:
mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 8,220 for mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.05 seconds)
Search:
"mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com"
Results 1 - 10 of about 802,000 for "mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com". (0.07 seconds)
How could this be? Seems to me, it should be just the other way around.
Because if you do NOT include quote characters,
then the search engine may TOKENIZE the components of the domain name,
and, therefore, you should get a LARGER number of pages.
Because all tokens, such as "mfcgoldmine", "uuuq", and, possibly even "com",
will contribute to search result, which should make the number LARGER, not smaller.
But if you DO surround the search string with quotes,
that, to any sane programmer I know of, would mean a LITERAL string,
to be matched as is, without tokenization.
Therefore, the search with LITERAL string should produce SMALLER number,
and not BIGGER one.
Sorry to get too technical on this.
But who knows what those Grand Google Architects had in mind.
Unfortunately, it is too technical for general audience.
So, we have to let this one slide, beyond making a statement that this is against
the rules of "how computers work".
Looks like broken something somewhere, and pretty bad at that.
That means that the result shown does indeed correspond to this particular domain.
And that is if you do understand what literal search means.
Furthermore, the search would produce exactly the same result even if you take
the quotes out, which is understandable, since the mfcgoldmine string, is apparently
so unique, that it does not appear anywhere else on the internet. So, ANY way you
do that search, the result would be the same. Actually, the screenshots for all other
searches are available also.
Here is some more screenshots, and that is as hard of an evidence as it gets:
If you do the same searches yourself, you will see the incorrect result in > 98% of all cases.
All other screenshots are available, and if THAT is not an evidence of these totally incorrect
results, then you'd have to get a court order and do some serious digging of Google archives.
It has been recently discovered that Google manipulates the search engine results.
The results of such manipulations could have a potentially devastating effect on operation
of entire Internet.
WHAT?
Axe that one! QUICKLY.
Before Google delists us, if it learns we published it!
Results 1 - 10 of about 321 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.04 seconds)
The difference? Well, just 198 times off. Not a big deal, really, isn't it?
Similar results were just sampled on all other sites, clearly indicating totally incorrect search results in vast majority of cases. Screenshots are available of course.
How exciting! I am impressed indeed.
Except of one little detail.
He is talking about the LAST page, resulting from you flipping the pages on SERPs.
It is the terminal condition. Google is not going to show you more than 127 results,
of ANY search on ANY site, no matter how big it is, which is known by all webmasters at least.
This thing has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about.
It is just one of those disgusting concoctions to humiliate you and make you look like a fool,
at least compared to this very sicko. Nothing more than that. Once a pervert, a pervert forever.
That is about the only outcome of this sick whatever he meant to concoct.
It is just another example of a perverted and sick mind. Nothing more to it.
Plus, it gives him yet another chance to show you what an ass he is,
by simply humiliating you and telling you that YOU are an idiot,
not him, or Google.
Actually, makes sense.
What kind of idiot I am to ask ANYTHING that makes any kind of sense from Google or these zombies?
Results 1 - 10 of about 63,700 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.28 seconds)
and
Results 121 - 127 of 127 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.05 seconds)
Well, for one thing, that 63,700 number happens to be on page 1 for one thing,
and you, personally, know it all too well. Otherwise, you'd better find something
better to do with your life.
Regarding BlogoScope ...
You realize it has absolutely * all to do with Any of us, or Google... right?
You did realize that it is unoffical, right?
You did read up on it before using it, right?
Knock, knock.
Anybody home?
Scuze me, but you are attacking the wrong person.
You are attacking one of your own, "top contributor",
instead of attacking that goldmine dude.
That is not what is written in our screenplay, Herr contributor.
So if you have a problem with how stuff is handled on their site - take it up with Them!
(Though to be honest, I wouldn't want your * ravings on one of my sites either ...
so what you going to do - go scream Legal at them?
Tell them they haven't got a clue how their stuff works either?)
Do I need to type is slower for you?
Do you want me to go find some small, retarded child with a speech impediment to help you understand?
How about a labotimised dead monkey - would you be able to be taught by one of those?
Hey, FINALLY! THAT is how you do it, if you are a REAL "top contributor"!
Or are nothing less, than a maintainer of "law and order " around here.
What took you so long?
Apparently this particular specimen, Autocrat,
thinks that this is happening in reality.
He genuinely thinks he is an "autocrat" here. LITERALLY.
This is not just some sick joke.
He even has enough of whatever it takes,
to claim HE is the one, who runs these forums. LITERALLY.
You can find the exact quote where he makes such bizarre claims. Just look around. It is there.
I'm gong to go aroudn the net, scrapping content that I find.
I'll organise it, and compile it!
I'll then Duplciate it all a few times over.
I'll then release it.
Nice concoction. You really look like a creative entity.
And, obviously, you know what you are talking about, right?
I won't pay any attention standards, guidelines etc.
Uhu. And how did you concoct that one. Any evidence you can present to substantiate this?
I won't do the slightest bit of research either.
Uhu. And how did you concoct that one. Any evidence you can present to substantiate this?
I don't need to ... I mean, come-on ... SE's are thick right?
They only index in a linear ashiopn, right?
They only update in a serial manner, from the same origin to the same destination, right?
They don't examine the contents at all.
They don't look for and remove duplciates or anything, right?
They don't provide estimates or such, right?
Nice pile.
Btw, what is it based upon? ANY evidence of ANY kind?
That would help, you know?
No - I can do it easy.
And - if somethign does go wrong ... I have a backup plan.
I'll go and have a pathetic little screaming fit and behave like an absolute * * * of a * !
I'll be rude, offensive, abusive and condescending!
And - if any one dares to talk back to me, disagree, or treat me the same way
... why ... I'll call them names and say it's unfair!
Then I'll shout "conspiracy" - because everyone will symp[athise with me then.
No argument on that one.
You said it yourself.
That is how YOU would do it.
But what does it have to do with others, or subject of this thread,
Mr. "top contributor"?
Btw, top of what?
And - through all of it .... no one will realise I'm completely fecken clueless
and so out of touch with the idea of how indexing and updating works .... up.
Wooooo.
That is below the belt.
Do you have a slightest clue of who are you talking about?
Just curious.
Who knows, it may be Dr. Google himself, checking these forums,
trying to see if they are up to snuff with da Highest Google Standards.
Heard of that one before?
I like that plan.
YOU do. No argument on this one.
So - whose content shall I go an steal first.......
Are you asking ME?
Scuze me, but what do I have to do with ANY of this?
How does it relate to anything, even remotely related to the topic of this thread?
Plus. You do you know what are these things, you are doing here, called?
Well, some call it defamation.
Some call it slander.
Some call it tort.
Some call it character assassination.
And some call it other things.
You would have to provide some EVIDENCE, you see,
especially if you get sued for this kind of thing.
But, no matter what they call it, what does it have to do with this thread?
(And I will steal it .... I won't link to where I got it from ... I won't
mention I took it from other sites .... I won't even provide information that
I'm stealing ... no one will know....)
Well, looks like you are obsessed with stealing.
That is about the only thing that comes out of all this pile of crap of yours, sucked out of our own finger.
Because it is utter concoction, not based in reality.
Can you substantiate ANY of it?
Do you have ANY evidence for ANY of these sick things you are fabricating here?
Are you a pervert and sicko, just by ANY humble chance?
Mind you, no interference from Google so far,
and this sick orgy has been going on for how long?
It is all nice and kosher it seems.
Seems like "business as usual" here.
Autocrat,
You "and the gang" are hijacking this thread with totally inappropriate remarks
and totally incorrect conclusions.
You know about Google no more than Google publishes already on various pages.
Whatever else you happen to concoct is just that, concoctions based on rumors,
signifying nothing at the end, and Google will NEVER sing under ANYTHING you
have to say on ANY issue.
So, just keep things in proper perspective. No need to pump your chest.
Your picture is quite clear in showing exactly who are we dealing with.
Are you afraid that you are not going to be able to milk this forum for
customers if people realize the extent of your "expertise" and the fact
that MOST of your SEO suggestions are nothing more than pipe dreams?
I just don't understand why are you so concerned with something, you are
trying to convince yourself very hard as wrong. Do you realize who can you
possibly convince with these kinds of arguments beside the people in white robes?
You have come here and upset people. You were rude, offensive
How do you like THAT fer breakfast?
and refused any form of help.
Huh? HELP?
What KIND of help, especially in the situation like this?
How to commit suicide, seeing how hopeless this is, and how quickly does your livelihood sinks?
Then - even after careful explanations
Careful explanations?
Of what?
How sick YOU are?
and efforts from several people - you go ON AND F*ING ON!
"Careful" explanations to do what?
To insult you as much as impossible with the most idiotic concoctions,
not a single one of which bears any fruit in reality?
You insist you "know" how google works -
Well, who knows...
May be I can stuff some of the top developers at Google under my belt.
Ever heard of such a thing?
Do you think it is possible?
Do you know how much I studied Google and for how long?
ANY idea?
when you have shown time and again you don't even comprehend the basics!
Woooo.
That would prolly upset some of those biggest guns in the software business,
I happened to have done some contract work for.
Cause if they knew that I am as clueless, as not to even comprehend the BASICS,
maaaan...
That would be a scandal, especially considering the kind of money they paid me.
Some of them would prolly get fired on the spot!
I wonder if your imagination is equally as sophisticated as your argument,
to even comprehend that number, or is it?
Then, when that comes to light, you try to shift the focus.
Nope. But YOU do.
Shifting focus from technical issue and perverting it to look like a character issue,
or competence issue,
or intellectual honesty,
or human dignity, or other things.
Do you wish to see the full list?
No problem. Just scroll back to the top and choose the one you like the most.
And to top it all off - when Google starts delisting some of the duplciated content
Dear Mr. Smart,
We are not talking about delisting some of the duplicate content here.
Haven't you noticed?
We are dealing with ERRORS on GOOGLE's end of the wire,
and of UNPRECEDENTED magnitude, unheard of in the entire history of computing.
Clear enough?
- as we said you would likely see happen - you have * fit over that too!
Scuze me. YOU seem to be having a FEAT it seems.
What seems to be YOUR problem?
Don't you recall those cases I told you specifically,
that I am not interested in opinions of clueless fools of your kind,
and am only interested in AUTHORISED opinions of COMPETENT personnel from Google?
But you STILL refuse to acknowledge that you have NOT GOT A F*ING CLUE!!!!!!!
Who?
Btw, this is not nice, or is it?
Let us see what Google is going to do about THIS kind of "help",
provided by "top contributors", nothing less.
No - you still come here and complain.
You still come here and whinge, bitch, moan and behaving like an absolue * * !!!!!
When people are offensive to you - you whinge like a * child!
.
Your sites are garbage - complete and utter *.
They offer little in the way of novelty/functyionality.
They contain content you have stolen from other sites!
You have ripped off other peoples work/ideas!
You have ignored the various Best Practices.
You have refused all standard/common/basic advice.
You are retarded! You have some sort of * mental deficiency!
Yu should be * medicated and kept away from anything more potential dangerous
than a dead friggin snail incase you cause harm to someone!
Now * off and drop dead you pathetically imbellic moronic amutrish labotimised
muppet of a complete * hole.
I'm sick to death off your sheer and utter stupidity.
It's almsot like someone is spoon feeding delirium into you.
HAve you got insantiy in tablet form ther?
Are you using some sort of liquid surrealism, and having it via an IV drip?
Or is it some sort of University Degree?
Did you take a Masters Degree in utter moronicness?
Do you earn additional credits for being so absurdly stupid that it defies
all known definitions of the worl that occured before you?
Were you specially breed jsut for this sort of behavior?
Wooo.
That smells like Nazi Germany during WWII.!
Even Joseph Stalin is not known for saying things like that.
We ARE making quite some progress here it seems.
Was it specialised schooling, years of listening to taped recordings
and watching dodgy TV whislt your eyes were forced openm
Oh, you mean that zombification procedure you see all day long any place you look, especially via Google?
You seem to be getting confused here.
Just because YOU are used to it, which seems to be the case, it does not mean OTHERS have gone through the same thing.
Did they brainwash you and forget to put in anything worthwhile?
Talking about yourself again?
Seriosly - up until this point - I was a fairly scientifically minded person ...
I beleived in Darwin and those that follwoed.
I honestly thought that the idea of evolution was a given.
Because you look just like a fool, who has no clue of true origins of theory of evolution.
Too bad. Some VERY interesting material. Would crack some sculls, if they had enough active neurons in that CPU between their ears.
But not know!
Oh No!
Thank God for that. Cause that whole theory is bluff, invented by you can not imagine who,
meant to do exactly as you outlined, to zombify the mankind,
and reduce the infinite intelligence to the level of a mechanical process,
some gear in your gear box,
so that you never knew of your grandeur and your godly nature,
sitting smack in the middle of your being.
It was just a plot, and by the same evilest of all evil,
who own your whole world, gun, stock and barrel, and all of your so called governments.
But...
This is a long story. Plus, it is not exactly on topic here,
even though it is more on topic, than you can even begin to comprehend in your wildest dreams.
Actually, it IS the very topic of this whole farce, called Google, lil did you know or even suspect of such a thing.
The simple fact that You exist defies any and all explanations for species refinement.
Interesting, isn't it?
Doesn't it tell you something?
And what if that whole thing, called a theory of evolution is a bluff,
"a tale, told by an idiot, full of fury, signifying nothing"?
Do you think such a thing is possible?
by rights, anyone as stupid as you are being must have someone there to help them * breath!
Once a Nazi, Nazi forever!
What else is new under the Sun?
Throw in some insults, and that'll do it just fine, thank you.
hey people -
ignore the fact I'm a * retard ... they take money off peole"
FACT?
Substantiated with WHAT specific evidence?
Well, ain't you jsut * out of luck sunshine ...
"SUNSHINE?
Are you some kind of perverted degenerate?
I don't take ANY clients from here.
Any evidence of that?
Never have!
Not surprising...
With the very nick of yours, Autocrat,
and the way you behave here ALL the time,
who, in his clear mind, would even conceive of an idea of hiring you?
I come and help out - for free ... just about everyday.
I know, I know.
That is exactly the song most of you, so called top contributors, like to sing here,
to justify all the luxury of sadistic orgies, you engage here every day.
Not a penny in return!
You can even CONCEIVE an idea of getting PAID for this kind of thing?
So - try another angle ... go on.
I can beat you at this every single time.
Scuze me.
"Beat me at WHAT kind of thing?
So ... com'on buba ... swing again!
What is buba?
Is it how you call those poor webmasters, being destroyed left and right because Google search engine is totally screwed up?
LEts see what your warped and highly limited mental capacity can generate
Sorry, I am not sure I understand you correctly. MY "warped" mental capacity?
First of all, how could CAPACITY be warped?
I understand perception, comprehension, even ability.
But that is just too fine of a point to bother about, right?
And how did you compute that it is "limited"?
Do you happen to have a reference handy?
Even with Sanction from Google - you * ignored it!
Sorry to dis-appoint you.
So far, what I have seen from Google, does not impress me even an iota, if you know what that means.
In case you are talking about the individual, whose nick is JohnMu,
well...
How could I put it in the most mild terms?
But let us try anyway.
You see, first of all, he does not appear to me as someone,
who is sufficiently qualified to even comprehend the issue of most unprecedented kind of errors,
we are talking about here.
You see, these kinds of things require a relatively high degree of knowledge
about Google search engine internals,
if you know what that means.
In other words, he needs to be of a DEVELOPER level,
to put it in simple terms,
or, if you do not understand what THAT means,
he needs to be a PROGRAMMER, who did some specific work, related to SERPS.
Otherwise, he can not possibly know the reasons for such errors.
Now, with all due respect, JohnMu is what is called in the industry "customer service rep".
And on that level, it is not even clear he has an engineering degree,
to even COMPREHEND the issues. Naturally.
So, as naturally, he is "answering" something,
that he can not quite grasp.
So... What to do, if this is your job?
Well, just pull out some template "answer", you use all day long,
in ANY situation, as, after a while, it simply becomes a habit,
and try to stick it on something, you do not quite understand.
And THAT is what he did, and you can not blame him for that. Anybody in his place would do exactly that.
But...
It does not mean he provided ANY kind of answer, that even remotely relates to your issue.
Talking about GENERAL rules on "how to make your site BETTER",
which is NOT what we are talking about,
unfortunately has NOTHING to do with the issues addressed.
Too bad Google does not have competent enough people around to handle these kinds of issues.
You are compeltely and utterly removed from this reality!
False assumption, not based on any specific evidence of fact.
Fabrication.
Conglomeration of totally irrelevant and utterly unrelated concoctions.
Insult.
Character assassination.
Humiliation.
Ridicule.
And list goes on and on and on.
You blatantly defy anything remotely resembling common sense or practicallity!
Have NO idea what "practicality" you are referring to. Sorry.
You would rather sit there and cry like a baby
This is what happens when you concoct too much in a single sentence.
It is called fragmentation of the argument.
Secondly, what makes you think so?
I do not feel like crying at all.
In fact, I am enjoying this trip, even though I know what is the most likely course of development of it.
than accept that you are wrong.
Why should I accept I am wrong?
So far, I am as "right", as it gets.
Because, first of all, I presented specific FACTS,
substantiated with specific evidence.
Unrefuted and even irrefutable evidence,
such as screen shots.
To try to refute even THAT kind of evidence,
we would have to go down to CRIMINAL level.
Even whe nthe olive branch was offered - no, you had to slap it away.
Even when other people came and offered explanations - you shored up and refused!
Insults, humiliation and total incompetence can not possibly be classified as "explanations"
Even when responses were confirmed - you refuted it!
Sorry. It totally escapes me what do you mean by "responses confirmed."
This is simply bizarre.
Stop destroying the best sites on the net.
The goldmine sites deserve to be shown in top slots on SERPS and there are PLENTY of reasons for it,
one of which, is these are some of the cleanest sites on the net.
They do not contain a single ad or ANY kind of visual garbage on ANY of the pages.
This fact alone, is enough to give these sites the highest honor and place a sticker "Google certified site with Positive User Experience".
Get competent people here, on webmaster forums.
Remove the authority to destroy articles, threads, posts, etc. unless it is obviously some kind of attack or abuse.
Destruction of articles containing specific points, issues, solutions, and what have you,
that could be very useful and important for millions of other webmasters, removes the ability to find such information.
Furthermore, destruction of valid articles and even threads is simply a dishonorable and dishonest behavior,
stretching the limits of the law.
It creates an ability to argue a possible legal case with absence of evidence argument.
Get rid of these so called top contributors and the entire concept.
Write clear, fully indexed and searchable on line documentation, outlining all the major issues.
Provide unified and extensive index that allows quick location of relevant information.
Create a Google page validation site, where anyone can submit any typical page of theirs
and get it certified by Google as not having ANY kinds of problems that may cause that page not to be indexed,
or filtered out, or even go as far, as to totally take that site out of index, or penalize it in ANY way, shape or form.
Create an on-line expert system, that can provide a no uncertain answer,
by simply answering a series of questions, that will produce you more questions,
depending on your previous answers during the session,
in order to get your problem resolved in the ABSOLUTE minimal amount of time possible.
That would suffice for now.
And that is if some LIES to you!
That's what it will take isn't it!
You NEED someone to tell you that you are a moron,
Woo.
If I were Google, I would fire you on the spot for this kind of treatment of my clients,
and for THIS kind of disgrace to MY company.
People like you can not only be allowed on customer service related forums,
they should be kept locked in a cage.
Because with THIS kind of aggression, you never know what might happen in quite real terms.
Too bad Google allows this kind of thing around here,
and, not only that, but CONDOLES it, as will be shown in MULTIPLE cases,
supported by specific evidence of fact.
that you aren;t * clueless ... that you weren't so * * wrong that it defies belief. No - you are absolutely desperatefor someone to confirm that you are RIGHT.
Well - tough luck pal - 'ccause it aint gonna happen.
You are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG ..... W R O N G ....... W R O N G !!!!!!
You will cry Copnspiracy ... they are against me .... it has nothing to do with the fact that this is how they work, and have done for some time! it has nothing to do with me not understanding! it has nothing to do with me breaking standard practice! it has nothing to do with me being a halfwitted * muppet!
No - it's because Google thinks my site is a threat to it's search engine! all those Volunteers that give Hours of their time each day don't want me causing them to loose out on the 0 money they earn! all those people who haven't got a clue but help hundred of others with their guesses and lies!
Comon ... what will be your next limp little concoction, eh?
What can you come up with next to shift the attention and try to make out you are being wronged?
I know .... why not say I'm beeing hired by Gogole to assasinate your profile?
Thats it - I'm being paid Millions to harass you online!
Go on - tell them I send you hudreds of emails threatening your life!
Oh ... wait, Lets gfo one better ....
You saw me get out of the Google Van, kick in your door and threaten your very person!
There - that should get you some sympathy, right?
Thats the type of lie you like, right?
Anything ... anything at all to stop people from looking back and noticing
you are stealing other peoples stuff.
To stop people thjinking about hte huge holes in your logic!
To stop people from seeing how others pointed out that y ou haven't included certain factors.
To stop people from seeing that you didn't even understand the basic search differences
at the start! To stop[ people from seeing jsut how often you have had the same things
explained - but you just cannot grasp it!
So - what have you got?
What will be your next conspiracy?
It is HIS topic now.
Because he has hijacked this thread.
And he filled it with SO much crap, that no one in his clear mind would read it now.
It is the same exact crap, available all over the net.
Just boring stuff. Hit that Next button.
See how nicely does it work?
This is yet another way to do it.
Is it not fun when others pass insults?
Is it not as funny when others are being irrational?
Does other people behaving like lunatics seem unfair?
Now you see how we see you!
Senseless!
Unreasonable!
Delusional!
Not nice is it sunshine!
But THAT is what you have beein doig for ages!
Don't like it when it's done back - do you!
Nice, eh?
And where is Google and its "positive user experience" slogan?
These so called contributors get so carried away with all this sick stuff,
that they do not realize one of these days there comes someone,
who will catch them with their pants down.
You see, in this "Mr. Nice" setup here,
they are given these seemingly strange powers,
to remove the entire threads, if they want to, for whatever concoction, they can concoct,
to "justify it". Easiest thing in the world.
So, in these regular orgies of theirs on Google webmaster forums,
they are used to the fact that they can simply remove the evidence,
once they had their sick orgasm,
and forget all about it.
For good.
Why is that?
Well, because there is no evidence of it left. Not even trace of it.
So, if someone starts squeaking too much,
just laugh at them, ridicule them, and harass them more.
Tell them they are insane.
It never happened!
Just look around. The EXACT example of it is present right here.
Cool, eh?
Hey, you want to become a top contributor?
No problem! Do you have your butcher and pervert licence handy?
- I'm jsut hitting you with the
same hammer you are hitting everyone else with.
Scuze me, Sir.
I do not want to interfere with your thread,
and it is YOUR thread now, not mine,
but, just out of curiosity,
which "hammer" are you talking about?
Have you had your neural infrastructure examined by the people in white robes lately?
Looks like a time for a regular checkup...
Mental health is the most important thing in the world, as they say in some lands.
And who is that "everyone"?
How often do you see those entities?
Is it all the time?
Once a day?
Once in a while?
How often?
Do you understand the question?
It really does appear that it causes you discomfort/displeasuer.
Not the least bit surpirsed to be honest.
I don't like seeing you be like that ... so I doubt if you like it in return.
But - I promise you this - I can/will keep it up.
Everytime someone mentions you being offensive - I'm gonna jump on you!
If someone mentions you are ranting - I'm, gonna come and SCREAM!
The the slightest whisper of you mentioning "conspiracy"
- and I'll come and gibber at ya!
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And - you'll notice that I have stayed pretty much on topic.
I've made constant referrals to your lack of foresight, your failure of
understanding, your inattention to things when explained, poor aptitude and ability
to grasp the general additional concepts of updates etc....
so I've been refering to prior posts/topics throughout :D
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Now * off and drop dead you pathetically imbellic moronic amutrish labotimised
muppet of a complete * hole.
I'm sick to death off your sheer and utter stupidity.
It's almsot like someone is spoon feeding delirium into you.
HAve you got insantiy in tablet form ther?
Are you using some sort of liquid surrealism, and having it via an IV drip?
Or is it some sort of University Degree?
Did you take a Masters Degree in utter moronicness?
Do you earn additional credits for being so absurdly stupid that it defies
all known definitions of the worl that occured before you?
Looks perfectly on topic to me.
Keep up the good work!
Google does appreciate your dedication to free public service on ITS forums.
You are just a fool and a miserable human being that clearly never had any real joy in his life. Otherwise, you would not blow up as you do, especially over someone else's spilled milk.
On the top of it, you are nothing but a pest. Simple as that.
And you were told already: I am not interested in your particular opinion in any way, shape or form. Because, first of all, you are totally incompetent in these kinds of issues, and again, otherwise, you'd be working at Google making a cool $200G/year instead of running your mealy mouth here and pumping up your chest of a deranged monster, that got loose.
Why would anyone even think of doing such a thing?
Especially to a nice feller like yourself?
I'm sure someone at Google will be very displeased with my behavior.
It would not look good at all!
Hell - it may be that they would have to ... well .... remove EVERYTHING!
Why would they?
After all, it is not THEIR problem, you see?
It is YOURS now.
Plus, this kind of sadistic ridicule process isn't exactly what you need at this junction.
Oh - wouldn't that be a * shame!
Go on ... make my day - hit the abuse link ... do it!
Are you a masochist also?
Not to worry. I DID. Not that I hoped, even in my wildest dreams, it would help anything.
But just to make sure we really understand each other, and we do.
You know what?
I reported every single outrageous post of yours and all others of your kind here.
And?
Can't you see it for yourself?
What happened?
And some of stuff you, sickos, said is CLEARLY defamatory, highly offensive,
slanderous and you name it.
The net effect?
It DOES NOT EXIST!
Google could care less if you exist, you, lil fool, doing all the dirty work for monsters.
You know why?
Guess!
Well, because, for one thing, it was YOU, idiot, who is going to get sued, if anything.
Not THEM!.
Are you AUTHORIZED representative of Google?
Do you have contract with them?
Are you on their payroll?
Then what could POSSIBLY be the problem for that monster, called Google,
the servants of the Evil, Most Profound?
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Well - let's see .....
I'm clueless .......... but you're the one with the sites getting deindexed - right?
I'm clueless ......... but I'm the one that pointed out you had Duplication issues - right?
I do NOT have "duplication issues".
GOOGLE has.
I'm clueless ......... but I'm the one who has to explain how Google Filters out Dupes and weak content -right?
You can not POSSIBLY explain how Google filters things,
because you don't know it. They won't tell it to you, even if you give them money.
This is one of the best kept secrets at Google.
I bet you it will be easier to get a discount in Hell,
then to find out WHO knows it at Google,
if you even BEGIN to comprehend what kinds of things are at stake,
what kind of money, power, influence, zombification procedures, NWO,
Skull and Bones, world domination, and other, not so noble things are involved.
How many times do I have to tell you? You are taking this thing WAY too seriously, like your life depends on it.
Does it, REALLY?
Yup - I'm obviously the clueless one between us!
Sure as day!
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So .. .really ... that's it - is it?
The best you can come up with is the typing equivelent of sticking your hands over your ears and saying "I'm not listening" ? Seriously? Thats all you can come back with?
No wonder you suck at keeping your stuff in the SERPs!
It does not matter to me what you do here, lil did you know, and if Google decides to remove this thread instead of banning you, well, what to do, such is life. At least by being WAY over board, you have achieved something. But, this thread is hooked up to some nice places and it will exist even after it is removed. Simple as that.
Just about all you can possibly do is to discredit Google, and this so called "Top Contributor" and "Bionic Poster" concept to the point where it becomes an insult of a title, equivalent to raging lunacy.
Doesn't bother me - I'm known for being an absolute tyrant whe nsome muppet crosses the line.
You just a lil fool. Simple as that.
Just relax about it.
Forget about this Grand Google Garbage Zombification Machine,
ran by the servants of most profound evil.
They'll just dump you, if anything, spit you out,
and continue doing all their evil stuff,
like you never existed. Don't you understand?
What does it have to do with YOU?
How much are they paying you?
All that big Zero?
Then why do you have to do this number?
Just because of your complex of inferiority,
mixed with something in you that is still authentic?
What kind of benefit you can POSSIBLY expect for you?
Besides the guys like me coming here and pointing it out to you?
Screw that stoopid Google.
It does not matter in the scheme of things.
I suggest better try to figure out why do you feel like a tyrant?
What is the point of being so intolerant?
For what? WHO zombified you with these kinds of most limiting ideas?
Do you know?
This is simply stoopid. Where does it get you, beyond trouble?
What can it POSSIBLY achieve?
What kind of benefit to your own being it can POSSIBLY bring?
What can it CLARIFY?
What kind of ecstasy may possibly come out of it?
You think being sadomasochist is some kind of orgasm?
Nope, you lil fool. It is UTTER dullness and insensitivity.
That's it for you.
You have to figure out the rest ... of the story on your own.
I'm only slightly different in real life too :D
But you - you shoudl be worried.
Hudnreds/thousands of people can see that you haven't got a single iota of understanding
on how Google works. Worse than that though ...
I could care less what those hundreds of thousands of people are thinking about me.
I can wipe nose of the cream of the crop at Google, with my hands down. Simple as that.
you have refused/denied every offer of assistance, every shred of help every
explanation/indication of what is happening.... and they can ALL see it.
One more time:
You are just a bunch of fools, who take themselves too seriously.
A bunch of clueless fools that know nothing of real value.
You are a laughing stock!
So sure .... my reputation as being a wild card and
unpleasant continues - your reputation as being "smart and knowledgeable"
went straight down the pan!
I knwo who looses out the most on that .... do you need someone to explain that you you though?
Will it reuqire multiple topics? ;)
One more time:
You are just a bunch of fools to me. Nothing less, nothing more.
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Won't happen.
Anyone reading through to this point would have already realised who the lunatic is.
At least I hope so.
Cause it is probably the biggest thread in Google's history!
Anyone who ignores the "hints" provided by ...JohnMu...
JohnMu is just a cow. Thus MU.
He can go suck the output hole of a dead mosquito, for all I care.
Just another servant of Freemasons.
A big funken deal.
He is nothing more than the eyes of evil, watching the reaction of the world,
on the progress of zombification procedure.
Nothing more than that.
He is utterly clueless and utterly incompetent, as far as technical issues are concerned.
He also has difficulties with comprehension.
Because he is confusing totally unrelated issues.
Plus, he is totally dishonest, and to even ask of such a thing from these kinds of people, YOU have to be a coo coo.
Simple as that.
is obviously
a basket short of a picnic!
Anyone who ignores umpteen others attempting to help explain what is wrong,
why it is wrong, how to fix it ... definetly should be wearing overly sleeved
coats with shiny buckles!
Do you want me to do a quick recap for you?
Would it help?
Shall I explain - again - that Google doens't like Duplicated content?
Should I tell you that once Google spots a certain amount of it, it may Filter the SERPs,
and show only 1 version? Need I explain that if it see's a certain amount above that,
it may deindex it?
Would it help if I told you that Google doesn't like scraped/stolen content if it
can identify it as such, and it will remove it?
How about going over that your origninal definitions of the searches was incorrect?
That you were misuing/misudnerstanding what the searchers were?
What of you not realising that Google provides estimates?
That Googles refines the estimates as you go through the pager links?
How about your somewhat loose grasp of Googles Crawling?
Completely ignoring the variances of crawl rates, depth, and the %'s of
content that woudl be old crawls to new crawls?
Then there was that whole issue of you assuming how the Updates work!
Not ever considering it may start/end at different locations,
that it may update via a split method rather tha na single, that it may chain,
or branch etc.?
Did I miss anything out?
I think that was the general gist of things though - right?
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So go on - give all those lovely readers the absolute laugh of the decade ... and refutre it all again! PLEASE - I'm begging you here .... PLEASE - be an absulte * muppet, and claim none of that is relevant .... jsut for me!
Go on!
Let all those hundreds/thousands see you deny the obvious, refuse the logical, ignore commonsense!
Show all those wonderful people that you honestly believe think you are right see the light! Let them see you shine in your glorious stubborn stupity! Let them witness you bury your head back where the sun cannot shine and instead of acknowledging you were wrong .... instead blame Google!
Do it.... please. I'm on my knee's typing this now! Please do it. PLEASE!
The way Google search engine works and, especially considering the size of these sites, there is no way in the world for page views to stop suddenly, in a single day.
Even, if for whatever reason, Google decides to drop these sites, it will happen gradually, over a period of at least two months.
What we are dealing with here is MANUAL MANIPULATION. Simple as that.
As to duplicate content, read above on this very thread. There is a direct and OFFICIAL statement from Google regarding this issue.
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I've read what JM provided. It states the same thing as everytone else was telling oyu. Duplicated content is going to lead to poor performance and issues!
And NO - it doens't have to be Manual Manipulation. Google are more than capable of setting nuemrous threshold ratings ... and when they are triggered, set actions are taken. It's not exactly complicated is it!They tag a duplicated URL. They examine the duplciates and decide if Intenral/external ... full/partial ... contains additional/or not ... referencing/owning ... etc. They keep a track count ... and run it as a ratio against the rest of what is found on that domain.
In your case .... almost all of it (99%+) is duplicated - externally ... at least 2 times! Once from one of your sites, once from the original site you copied it from.
So, once G has examined, and examined and examined some more - and constantly see's such a high % of duplication ... then why wouldn't it simply run the function to remove your site pages?
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I notice you are completely ignoring the whole area of content theft as well! Is there a reason you are doing that?
Don't you want all those people reading up on this to notice you are stealing other peoples content? That you ar breaching numerous copyrights, terms of usage, intellectual property rights and just plain old fashion decency?
Or is it that you think it's perfectly acceptable to take stuff from other sites?
Do you think it is okay to reuse other peoples posts, comments, ideas, suggestions etc.? You believe it's fine to not even refer to the author nor the orignal site, elt alone provide a crediting link?
"To conclude, I'd like to point out that in the majority of cases, having duplicate content does not have negative effects on your site's presence in the Google index."
Duplicate content can not possibly explain the kind of behavior observed with ALL these unexplainable and simply stratospheric jumps in google index, SERPs, and disappearance of PG sites from SERPs, under ANY conditions in a normally functioning systems.
"I notice you are completely ignoring the whole area of content theft as well! Is there a reason you are doing that?"
"Don't you want all those people reading up on this to notice you are stealing other peoples content? That you ar breaching numerous copyrights, terms of usage, intellectual property rights and just plain old fashion decency?"
You are definitely a clueless fool with very limited mental comprehension abilities and you obviously do not know what you are talking about.
There is no scraping of any site involved. Furthermore, these are the best collections of similar information on the net I know of, the most precise, the most to the point, the biggest collection of practical code examples and expert opinions and discussions that exist on the face of this planet, and they are used by the biggest players in the world, such as Microsoft, Intel, HP, AMD and you name it.
If players like Microsoft do a SPECIFIC site search by the CHAPTER, then...
Do you realize how big of a collection of articles the Microsoft has? And still, they happen to visit the Programmer's Goldmine sites and to a specific CHAPTER
search? Do you realize what it means, you clueless fool?
Secondly, it has NOTHING to do with the issues of this thread. Zero, zip, zilch.
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There we are folks. Aren't you glad you kept on reading.
NOW you can see how the OP, yet again, reverts to "slosing down".
Notice how he manages to cover both his ears and eyes in an attempt to deny everything! See how he squirms and writhes in an effort to shift away from being at fault! Are you not simpy stunned by the intellectual acrobatics and contortions to refute reality completely! Is it not sicken how he refuses to acknoelge hes at fault and tries to blame Google instead!
And for those of you that blinked and missed it .... the ever so graceful method of stepping around the issue of content theft! For those of you that blinked more than once .... the complete lack of acknowledgement of prior misunderstandings/incomprehensions and being plain wrong!
Yes, I too am simpy in AWE of the OP!
so please, step up, step up - come one and come all .... come see this incredibly rare, negih, I say freakish creature in all his disgusting glory! Nothing natural to this world could so deftly defy realty! Nothing normal could resist logic and reasoning to such great depths! The one, the only, ...pgelqued... - defiant moron from the nether realms!
From what I see, you have wasted your entire life. You should have become a wrestler. But you probably do not have enough guts to get up the podium and do some pro-wrestling stuff. And so, being a gutless big mouth,
you found a safe substitute, a surrogate.
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Ah - there we have it ... you poke the freak long enough, and he may finally realise he is being poked. So, somethings do get through ... the brain is connected to the body - at least to some extent!
But, what's this? yet another fine example of the objects ability to warp reality! Note the deft movements, the way that he tries to legitimise! Oh, and the sheer mental dexterity in his method of claiming authority!
Are you not both thrilled as well as reviled? Do you not find it sickening and intriguing?
Of course - all of that agility is ruined by the blatantly childish ending ... but still, we can forgive hime, can't we? The sheer entertainment value is far to high to simply let a stupid little retort ruin things, right?
So please - do keep on reading. Stick around - I'm sure you will see many more wonders as the OP attempts to twist reality, bend logic to his own needs and defy all forms of common sense and decency!
That said - if you are one of the many people who have had the content stolen, maybe you would like to send the OP an email? Alternatively, you could file a DMCA with Google .... For those of you that haven't had your content ripepd off by the OP - but are digusted note only by his complete lack of decency, but by his utter refusal to acknowledge he criminal activity, you could always fiel Spam Reports....
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Ah .... not only resorting to attemtp to "call me out" .... but utterly failing to do so.
I happen to instruct in martial arts you muppet ... and I do seminars, and train with some of the big names too :D And yes - I get on the mat, and in the ring ... and on the odd occassion have issued challenges too.
So tough luck sunshine ;)
Go on ... try a different angle .... or go back to one of your strengths and create more lies and false allegations. Either is fine with me :D
Looks like your entire SUPER-big ego is at stake here, doesn't it?
:--}
One more time: you are nothing more than incompetent fool, that has enough arrogance to get into the issues, WELL above his mental abilities, and sure, eventually, you'll break your teeth on something.
Sooner or later, that big ego of yours will go poof, just like a balloon, and all it takes is a tiny needle and the easiest touch on that big blob of nothingness inside.
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LMAO - no ego - jsut me bashing you again and again and again. You can squirm, writhe, contort and attempt to shift the focus as muc has you like.
It is Not going to work. I'm not the one claiming to earn tons of money. I'm not the one claiming to have worked for Big Companies. I'm not the one staking his reputation on a bunch of half baked theories and a load of misconceptions. That would be You doing it.
You are the one who has shown ,repeatedly, that they lack the capacity to not only understand how thigns work, but a compelte inability t adapt, accept change and update your perceptions etc. You are the one suffering for your idiocies by refusing the help given, declining to acknowledge the information provided etc. You are the one making all the noise, and doing Nothing to fix it - as suggested by the rest of us.
Instead, you continue to whinge, whine and whimper. You would rather attempt a continuance of fostering beliefs of conspiracy than face the reality of being wrong. That suggests it's your egotistical issue, not mine :D
How could Google allow these kinds of people to even remove threads of others, is totally beyond comprehension.
These kinds of people should be BANNED for life from participating on webmaster help forum, and instead, not even a single notice was given to this individual, as to
his totally inappropriate behavior, totally off-topic remarks, insults, harassments and blatant attempts to hijack the entire thread and delude the issues.
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Still ... if we want to go all psycho-analytical .... I'll ask one of your favoured questions.
What are You getting out of all of this? Why are you here?
It's clearly not to receive help - as you have had that already. It's clearly not to learn - as you defy any attempts. It's clearly not to fix the numerous issues - as you refused to take action.
The only reason I can coiceive that you are here is that of "getting a name". You are making noise so you can bee heard. You are seeking attention. You have some deep need to receive other peoples focus.
This could be backed up by the numerous repostings of/links to this topic and others. This could be backed up by your claims of Big asociation.
You may in fact be suffering from some form of insecurity - as providing "names" is often a clear indicator of personal insecurity/low self esteem - and inflation by proxy is a known pattern of such.
Could it really be that simple? Is it nothing to do with your stupidity and lack of accuity regardig Google - but instead some almost child like need to receive attention and be lifted high for viewing? Is that why you continue this farce? Is that why refuse all suggestions/pointers/corrections?
Because you NEED this to happen?
.
I suppose the alternative is the Marketing angle. You could be making a lot of noise to gain attention and bouy up your sites. Hoping to gain traffic/appraisal to defunct sites with naff inbound links through creating a Public Nuisance?
.
It has to be something along those lines - as it sure as hell isn't that you wnat to get your * together and fixed ... else you would have been listening and fixing things rather than behaving liek a complete and utter * all this time.
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Well, lets look at it from that angle shall we.
You are saying that I'm an unhelpful person. Fair enough.
How many questions have you answered since you got here? How many peole have said "thank you" to you? How many times have you given help, assistance, information ... freely, for no personal gain?
As I haven't seen it!
On the other side of hte coin .... yu think it right that you can have a go at others ,that you can pass insults, that you can be rude, obtuse, abusice, unpleasant etc .... but it cannot be done in return?
Sorry sunshine . I happen to view the status as being kind of important ... I happen to think that part of the position includes defending the rest of the group ... all of it! That means containing Trolls, limiting Flames and bashing the * daylights out of people that are offensive without cause.
You've had help. You've had explanations. You've had suggestions. You'e feed back from Google. You've done * all with any of it - bar argue!
I've said it before , and I'll say it again - you haven't got a clue and you are deluded!
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"...
"Physician, heal thyself first" ..."
I don't need to .... all the sites I work on rank well. All the sites I work on are clean, clear an working fine . To the point ... as far as I know - I've never had a site drop, nor had stuff deindexed.
Which is clearly way better than you and yours.
As mentioned earlier - YOU are the one that came here. YOU are theone with the problem (though it appears it is not of a technical nature!).
So - I'll ask again - Why are you here - What are you expecting to get out of all of this?
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Come on - we al lwant to know. Every one that has tried to help you - all those people reading ... we want to know!
Why do you think it's okay for you to be rude, but not others? Why is it okay for you to copy other peoples content and rank for it? Why should the Search Engine work to you limited methodology rather than they way it does? Why are you here when you are refusing the help/advice you are given?
Please - do enlighten us all. Share your vast intellect with us. give meaning to our clearly deficient and inferior lives!
on 8 July, 2009 at 22:52 GMT from Google, Mountain View, California, United States, within 24 hrs, page views with referrals from google search engine rapidly stopped, all at once.
Furthermore, whatever action Google took was not based on a site review of any kind because there was not a single page view by any of Google's offices worldwide during that time, or immediately before or after it.
The alignment in time and all other snapshots taken indicate, in no uncertain terms, a high probability correlation between reading the above mentioned article and whatever action Google has taken to stop all page views of Programmer's Goldmine sites.
I do claim there was undue MANUAL INTERVENTION into normal workings of search engine in order to specifically block about the best and cleanest collections on the face of this planet among all existing collections of similar kind and purpose, regardless of their size.
Simple as that.
All other issues discussed on this thread are irrelevant to the very subject of this thread.
Furthermore, many of search queries that show up in "Top search queries" on webmaster pages, if followed, do not show the Programmer's Goldmine sites. Those links simply disappeared from SERPs. Not even have fallen into lower positions. But just do not exist any longer. And we are talking about MANY articles from the SERPs page 1, and that is top 10 positions.
In other words, the same exact hundreds of "Top search queries", found in top 10 positions, according to Google's own interpretation, if performed again, would not produce the links to PG collections, not on page 1, not on page 2, and not on page 3 and 4 and 5, which is simply impossible in a properly functioning system.
Aligning all these things, there was a manual intervention into normal workings of search engine beyond a shadow of a doubt, and I would be willing to testify for this in any court of any land.
As far as organization of information on Programmer's Goldmine sites I can state the following:
1. The archives are processed to guarantee there is only a single copy of each article.
2. Each chapter is guaranteed with 100% certainty to contain a single copy of an article.
3. If some article has more than one subject covered, that article will be included in more
than one chapter and is guaranteed to be on topic in ANY chapter it appears to be with
higher than 90% certainty, and in certain cases, higher than 99% certainty.
4. The organization of the sites is correct and is not changing no matter what Google thinks
about it. Because it is the best organization possible as I claim.
5. The mirror sites will stay regardless of how poorly google is capable of dealing with it.
If anything, Google has to do more work to facilitate all the sites throughout the world
that have mirrors, which is a MUST in a web based applications because of the issue
of single point of failure.
6. These sites are fully crawlable and via multiple paths, including, but not limited to,
links from each article to a corresponding chapter and top level index, in addition to
next and previous article in a thread or chapter.
7. Article pages are validated under the strictest HTML standard, HTML 4.01 Strict.
8. There isn't a single trick used to try to artificially increase the "ranking". NONE.
9. Collections include a limited set of articles out of millions of articles in the archives
that only include the most appropriate articles, guaranteed to be on topic with > 90%
certainty, selected with unique, patent pending filters, unmatched by anything available.
10. If anything, Google has to be grateful to be able to serve these kinds of collections.
If Google decides to drop these collections for whatever reason, there are other search
engines that will benefit from such collections, and some already do.
Planet Google is not the planet, around which all other planets turn in this Universe.
There is no such a planet in the scheme of things.
Google did serve its purpose at a particular junction.
But it is time to move to better things.
The main idea behind Google architecture, that is a subject of a patent,
is a primitive idea that can not possibly be the final word in precise
information mining technology.
No matter what Google does or says, these collection stay as they are.
Because there is nothing wrong with either organization or selection of
articles or chapters. Unless something radically new has been presented,
there is no way anything is going to change.
Well, for one thing, that 63,700 number happens to be on page 1 for one thing,
and you, personally, know it all too well. Otherwise, you'd better find something
better to do with your life.
The first line contains the word "about" - the second doesn't.
Because the first line supposed to mean the real number of pages indexed,
and the second line means a terminating condition, artificially lowered,
just to tell you that Google is not going to show you more than 127 results.
Two TOTALLY different situations, that are not even mean to mean the same thing.
This has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about here.
These two results are not even comparable. Because they are performed under totally different conditions.
One is actual search, and the 2nd one is page flipping and coming to the last SERP,
which simply tells you 127 is all Google is going to show you.
Second line was not even meant to show you the actual number of pages indexed.
It simply says this is the end of what we are going to show you, which is a totally different case.
That is ALL it means. The second number is UTTERLY meaningless and does NOT correspond
to your number of pages indexed, and it was not even meant to be.
ALL it is is a terminal condition. UTTERLY meaningless in our context.
And THAT kind of thing is what you are peddling here to all the clueless webmasters,
brainwashing them all day long with these kinds of utterly inappropriate concoctions and perversions,
trying to justify unjustifiable.
And if these numbers are meaningless, do not display them and do not delude people
with UTTERLY wrong data.
Secondly, STOP recommending this as a method of getting your number of pages indexed,
because it produces totally wrong results.
And, the most disgraceful thing is that Google, instead of clarifying this thing,
simply ignores is, and even allows these utterly incompetent delusions to be peddle here as reality.
Google is pretty much like this for all sites.
In my case it says "about 546" and then "249".
We had a guy in here eighteen months ago with (IIRC) 11 pages on his site and Google said
"about 3,000,000" on the first page and "Page 11 of 11" on the second.
So, FIX it then, instead of blaming others for it.
The first page guesstimate number has been known to be whacky for YEARS which is
why no one uses it. It's a waste of bandwidth and pixels.
Google SPECIFICALLY states that to get the number of pages, indexed,
you perform a site:... type of search. And that number is 1000 times off. Period.
Just because Google is screwed up, it does not mean I have to eat it yammy, yam, yammy.
These are the MOST basic things. If even these kinds of things do not show anything, resembling reality,
then what you can possibly expect in other cases?
Your problem has NOTHING to do with SERPs manipulation of numbers - it's simply that
the greater proportion of your sites is not being indexed.
UTTER garbage. It IS being indexed,
and the larger numbers do correspond to correct number of pages, ACTUALLY indexed,
according to my estimates and correspondence to reality of it all.
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"... Planet Google is not the planet, around which all other planets turn in this Universe. There is no such a planet in the scheme of things. ..."
If Google isn't that important - then why the * are you still here, whinging, whining and pratting around like a village idiot? You are doing the "google don't like me" dance awfully well for someone that considers it irrelevant. You've also invested a fair bit of time (though clearly no where near enough) in attempting to figure out how it works. Again - those do not speak as actions of disinterest and low value.
.
Why do you think it's okay for you to be rude, but not others? Why is it okay for you to copy other peoples content and rank for it? Why should the Search Engine work to you limited methodology rather than they way it does? Why are you here when you are refusing the help/advice you are given?
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We all know he isn't going to go away. He likes it here. He gets attention - and has managed to convince himself that there are others out there that will believe his view.
I kind of feel sorry for him - to have such delussions and a state of mind cannot be healthy/natural :(
But I think the current odds going are 17th of August? Thats the expected time of his quitting out. With a 2nd run on how many days before he posts back. (I've personally got the 12th August, and a whole 8 days!)
I've also got damn fine odds on "look - here's proof" comming in 2 times before the end of this Month (got those at 14:1, 18:1 and a conjoined of 27:1 !)
If I was a betting man, I'd go on the outside chance .... the OP getting a grip on reality, realising what a muppet he's been, accepting that he's competely wrong on his understanding, has stolen content and apologises for it etc. But, at 27,502:1 .... I don't think it's worth the bet.
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I know pretty d*** well he's not gonna vanish before ... well, I'd say August 19th ... so I could safely dig a bit deeper into one of his blunders to have another laugh *g*
@pgelqued:
You keep saying "If players like Microsoft do a SPECIFIC site search by the CHAPTER" ... Hey, I needed to see a proof of that because I don't believe a single word of it. Paste a few corresponding lines of your logs here please, I want to see whether you confound an MSN-crawler with real people from Microsoft. Your astonishingly poor understanding of how everything works does indeed suggest something like that.
"The first line contains the word "about" - the second doesn't."
Search: thread site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,900 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com for thread. (0.37 seconds)
Question: Are there in fact 15,900 articles related to thread?
Yep, sounds about right. Sure, not necessarily EXACTLY right, but still.
Therefore I claim the 15,900 number IS in fact correct.
Jumping to page 32 of SERPs
Results 311 - 320 of about 15,900 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com for thread. (0.42 seconds)
Still the same.
Going to page 33:
Results 321 - 329 of 329 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com for thread. (0.41 seconds)
So, which number is correct?
And how come we have such unbelievable discrepancies?
What seems to be the problem?
Secondly, Google recommends to use site:mysite.com searches to estimate
the number of pages indexed.
I happen to disagree with JohnMu's statement that it is more correct to use
a sitemap on your webmaster pages and the number of pages indexed as
shown for particular sitemap.
Here is the reason: For a large site, it takes several months for it to get indexed.
When there is a major update on the site, it takes months to get it all indexed.
As for the older versions of articles, they are not going to be removed from index
for several months, even if you remove the associated sitemap from webmaster
pages and sitemap file.
The net effect, the number of pages shown for the sitemap is VASTLY incorrect
and it does not in fact correspond to correct number of pages indexed.
If anything, and it turns out to be a bug in google's estimated number of pages,
it has to be fixed. The site:mysite.com IS the correct way to get an estimate
of number of pages indexed because it is a valid search on the widest possible
scope for a given site.
No other kind of search for the same site should ever, under ANY conditions,
provide a number that is higher than the initial search show. Otherwise, you may
as well remove that "estimated number of pages" from the SERPs as it is totally
and completely wrong, and by hundreds of times in some instances. It is not an
estimate of ANY kind. You may as well use the random number generator.
Estimates can not vary in orders of magnitude. All it means to me, there are only
two possibilities:
1) System is broken and can not be trusted, no matter what it shows anywhere.
Because if you have inconsistencies of THIS magnitude, you may have ALL
sorts of problems with just about ANY search you can imagine.
2) Results are manipulated via numerous mechanisms, or hand overrides of certain
parameters of rule sets or via creation of additional rules that specifically and
artificially reduce the numbers for particular sites.
I see no other possibility for numbers to jump in such a wild fashion.
Secondly, this particular thread deals with different kind of issue,
the issue of some searches simply disappearing even though they are shown
as "Top search queries" on webmaster pages and plenty of them, in the top 10
positions. Trying to perform the same exact search, that IS shown on your
"Top search queries", produces no SERPs that contain that article not only on
page 1, but on no page whatsoever, which is simply impossible. Search can only
loose its relative position in SERPs, but can not simply disappear from SERPs altogether.
And we are talking not about some single search. We are talking about tens and
hundreds of searches that do appear as your "Top search queries".
And there is no way in the word I know of you can explain THIS kind of miracle.
Just because YOU have a mind of a crook, it does not mean other people lie.
Secondly, you are nobody, as far as trying to paste some "proof" of Microsoft
doing SPECIFIC and unique searches. I don't need to prove ANYTHING to you.
Thirdly, I have pasted so much of hardest possible proof here, and you, fools,
denied every single instance of it, even if it was in a form of a screen shots.
So...
Fourthly, it is none of your business what kind of searches Microsoft does
and how I view those searches.
Fifthly, I do have all the evidence I need and will present it in appropriate
places in appropriate times, ONLY if I find this to be useful, not you, or some
other fools of your kind.
Sixthly, you are continuously hijacking this thread with totally inappropriate remarks
that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, or ANY thread, you
posted you disgusting and insulting remarks.
Finally, it is amazing to even comprehend that anyone would do any kind of business
with people of your kind, whose minds are so crooked that you can not trust a single
word of what they say, because it will be perverted, manipulated and all sorts of utter
garbage fabricated to justify anything, up to the point of calling black, white.
Cool it. If you do know what you are talking about, and that is FOR SURE, fine,
you can state your opinion, and, preferably, state how do you know it is so.
From what source did you get this information?
How authoritive is that particular opinion?
What I do notice with your arguments, and I bet it is the issue of your entire life, is this:
You tend to pile up ALL sorts of complications in one huge pile of "problems",
and then you try to prove to everyone that under ALL those complications,
one can not possibly predict the outcome. In other words, you set yourself up
for failure from the step number one, and that is probably a reason you were
not able to get a job at Google, and ended up in this snake pit, insulting people
all day long as professional occupation.
Yes, solving complex problems requires a lot of skill in "divide and concur" type of things.
It has to do with logic in general.
When you need to write some intricate piece of code or solve some tough problem,
there are two different approaches you may take. First, is the "positive" approach.
Meaning, you take care of all normal conditions and outcomes, and then make an
assumption that ANYTHING beyond those conditions is an error condition, and you
handle various error conditions in your exception code.
Second approach is to try to enumerate all the possible error conditions,
and then, if you pass all those error conditions, then your code MUST be working,
which is what you do when you say: "oh you can not even begin to imagine how
complicated is the process of displaying the estimated number of pages.
It could be ANYTHING. The DC may be updated in the most wildest ways,
and it is not simply a "linear", single dimensional process. ALL DCs could be
updated simultaneously. Then there could be bottlenecks and resource starvation.
Then there could be ALL sorts of other millions of things.
"THEREFORE", you can not say anything about anything and can not predict
anything as a result of anything else"
Well, but THIS way, you will NEVER be able to build a RELIABLE working system,
that has consistency and predictability of behavior and outcomes.
You are simply digging yourself up to your ears into the ditch you yourself dug up.
And I gave you a model of how to look at DC update issue and how it could be
possibly structured in terms of underlying architecture and associated processes,
and it all turned out to be a simple and predictable model that GUARANTEES the
consistency and predictability of an outcome, even though the underlying processes
ARE very complex and ARE multi-way. But it all can be reduced to simple atomic
operations and things could be recovered with 100% certainty, even if something
unpredictable happens.
Basically, every time I see your posts, it is just a humongous pile of confusion
and complications piled on the top of other complications, without realizations that
all you are going to end up is an exponentially increasing complexity, and THAT is
EXACTLY why you can not make any progress, and not only with technical issues,
but in your entire life I suspect. Just look at your icon and image you are projecting.
You OBVIOUSLY are setting yourself up for failure.
And then you blame OTHERS for YOUR failure and claim THEIR logic is not up to
snuff, compared to YOUR pile of confusions you yourself created for yourself.
Plus, the way you behave is clearly offensive. Your bullying people with your
arrogant statements, that are confused to the point that you can hardly distinguish
head from tail, is simply moronic. It is an indication that your level of consciousness
and awareness is on a par with amoeba, no matter how much huffing and puffing you
do, and what kind of "evidence" you can pile up on the top of already huge pile of your
own confusion.
So, quit projecting YOUR limitations on others, and especially on systems, and especially
when you talk to experts on systems that broke their teeth on logic and whose views on
programming is a system's view to begin with. It is really unimpressive. Your arguments
are mostly childish and as primitive as it gets. You can hardly substantiate anything you
are saying. On the top of it, it takes quite a bit of patience to work on complex problems
and issues. You can not just bully systems. They could care less if you exist.
Systems are highly complex living entities. They have life of their own.
What I enjoy very much is when I take a pile of dead metal, utterly non working something,
and, knowing full well, it is as dead as it gets, all of a sudden, breathe life into it.
When a pile of dead metal start showing the signs of life again, this is ecstasy in pure form.
And I do not appreciate when some morons poke their pig's noses into subtle issues,
without having a clue of what they are talking about and who manipulate things beyond
level of obscene, trying to concoct some grand lie and present it as ultimate reality.
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7/18/09
>>> Fourthly, it is none of your business what kind of searches >>> Microsoft does and how I view those searches.
Thankfully yes, so you had better left that crap of a claim away in the first place.
And something else: you're calling me a crook and a fool - I can assure you that you won't rise too much sympathies for that here ... I'm still making up my mind whether to consider your wording as "hate speech" (see 'report abuse' link) or not and delete your thread again? As this is probably what you're trying to achieve, I don't do it - this time. I don't want to spoil the utter destruction of your online-reputation.
And I say it again: all of what you have said until now is nothing that could interest anybody but yourself, you're just trying to invent "important issues" and "Google bugs" and the like to conceal your sites have completely and rightly tanked for being spam. Nothing new, you're about the thousandth muppet doing this, alas with unprecedented stupidity and endurance ... *sigh*
Hi guys
feel free to continue the speculations if you want,
Yep, till your nose goes blue, lil do we care...
Did you understand what he just said?
He said: ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING HERE IS JUST A BLUFF, A SPECULATION,
having NOTHING to do with reality of what Google is or what it does.
And THAT reality will not only bend your mind,
It will CRACK that stupid cockpit of yours, you call scull.
but do not resort to any more personal attacks.
How long did it take you to get involved?
How many DAYS, if not weeks?
And you DID see all those disgusting orgies, did not you?
But how come did not you interfere before?
And even NOW you are saying what here? ALL of you?
Are you implying ME ALSO?
WHO is doing all this ugly stuff?
Oh, you wish to add the insult to injury?
By throwing me into the pile with these sickos?
It is kinda expensive trip...
Are you sure you will be able to afford this one?
Or you are "covered till your final day"?
Nice, huh?
That goes for all of you.
pgelqued, for what it's worth, we do not make manual adjustments of the site:-query
results approximations for individual sites. We prefer scalable solutions that work
across the web for all sites; making manual adjustments is not that scalable.
If you think you can impress someone with buzzwords for "explanation",
sorry to tell you, it does not impress me.
I am used to facts, not "generally speaking, to be precise" type of things,
and, from what all evidences shows, Google DOES in fact manipulate the results MANUALLY,
scalable or not.
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Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/18/09
That aside - PLEASE DO NOT LIE.
You are NOT looking for Realistic Alternatives.
you've had plenty of Realistice explanations.
What you want is something that you can agree with - that means
something - anything, that does not show your lack of understanding and
your inability to comprehend.
You are looking for a get out - and you are not likely to find one.
You are at fault.
Not Google - Not anyone lese - just you, your misconceptions and your refusal to acknowledge Valid explanations/information!
Picture looks good. Adds some dynamism to the whole thing.
Btw, I just noticed some "Top search queries" started to respond properly again and things do show up in the SERPs after the same searches are performed. Hard to say what it all means. Need more data to see if things are working again after a week of seeing totally off the wall results.
So, I have no idea what kind of "scalable" solution could produce this, but what I do see now corresponds to reality much better than what I saw during last week.
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7/18/09
AND PLEASE - someone for Google actually step in and Clear it up.
The OP wil NOT lsiten to anything from anyone else (then again -= he has disagreed with GTs already, and ignored their comments/hints!). The OP will not go away until someone either gives him vindication (damn unlikely!) or literally explains in small, simple words the various issues and Why things have happend as they have.
Otherwise we will have to put up with this one for a damn site longer!
I would like to see some "Realistic explanation" of this:
Search: site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 63,700 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.28 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 371 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.07 seconds)
The same exact search performed under the same exact conditions.
Plus this:
Search: thread site:mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,900 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com for thread. (0.37 seconds)
How many times do I have to repost the same thing? Are you telling me this is NORMAL?
On the top of it: whatever "explanation" you may come up with, how do you know your explanation does correspond to reality of how things actually work?
Can you provide hard evidence of what you are saying is actually true?
Do you have any references that show in no uncertain terms that what you are saying is true?
Based on what kind of logic do you make your assertions?
Hi pgelqued After having discussed this and similar cases with the engineers, I can assure you that Yes, this is normal behavior. The number is a very rough approximation and there are many reasons why it can fluctuate, even as wildly as it is in your case. There's no reason to worry about this approximation.
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Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/18/09
Now, pgelqued, is that a 'realistic' explanation you've had? (I said 'realistic', I don't expect you to understand it, just to accept it, you don't need to know how and why, sufficient I know it) You've heard them say now it's normal, go and think about it - or perhaps you're in the business of being smarter than several thousands of the world's best software engineers? Apply here: http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/ ... it'll earn you more than your so-called *** online-"gold"mines.
This is definitely the last thing I've said here or in any of your future threads I envisage.
For the sake of peace.
-luzie-
( Hey, I didn't know ignore is a feature I'd need, nice to have it - even though it's virtual only :D )
> You may as well use the random number generator.
Yup. You got it.
To webmasters, translating:
Whatever Google shows on SERPS, is utterly meaningless.
There is no way to know the number of pages indexed,
no matter how you cut it.
"There's no reason to worry about this approximation"...
Sure. What else?
Jumps in "estimated" number of pages on your site by hundreds of times
is "nothing to worry about".
IRS: dear Google, how much was your income last year?
- Well, just $300
But according to some papers it is $300,000,000 just in one month.
- Well, but that was just an estimate!
I see.
What seems like an issue of life and death to some business,
seems to be "nothing to worry about".
Then, it is just logical to conclude the following:
Your site index falls hundreds of times in a couple of months?
- Normal
If you repeat the same exact search, as you find on your webmaster page under,
"Top search queries", you will not find your site on any of the SERPs?
- Normal
The site search produces 300 pages, but a search on some keyword on that very site produces 300 times more,
which is simply impossible?
- Normal
A search on a single chapter produces ten times more articles than your entire site has,
according to estimated number of pages?
- Normal
Your threads on Google webmaster forums get deleted for no good reason?
- Normal
Threads appear back after being deleted?
(Miracle, never seen before, ANY place)
- Normal
Two of your sites are not being crawled for more than 2 months,
while other sites, having the same kind of information and site organization, do?
- Normal
One of your sites was dropped from index for no reason you know of?
- Normal
Even if you request for "reconsideration", while there is nothing to even reconsider,
more than several months pass, and nothing changes?
- Normal
You don't see page views with referrals from Google, suddenly, out of the blue,
hapening overnight, literally?
- Normal
Well, but that is EXACTLY what I claimed Google is going to say at the end
a couple of weeks ago.
Now, if ALL these things are "normal" at Google, then...
Who needs whose brains to be examined by people in white robes?
The estimated number of pages on SERPs was generated by random number generator, and what google tells you as a way to estimate the number of pages indexed by performing a site:mysite.com search, in actuality is meaningless and does not correspond to anything that makes any sense in any system of logic known to mankind to date, going back about
7000 years, to the times of Shankaracharya of India, who proclaimed to have spoken the Seven Folded Truth.
No wonder some kinds do "Hail Eris" number. Sure, Hail Eris, the Lord of Confusion and discord. Hail discordians.
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Webmaster Help Bionic Poster
7/19/09
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people
say this answers the question:
...gtunlimited... "... Anyone have the Cliff Notes? ..."
Yup .... ready for the ShockWaveofData?
Go....
OP wanted information as to why they were seeing strange/erratic information in the SERPs. OP was doing various searches, inc. site:theirsite.tld theirsite.tld
The OP was informed (numerous times, by various people) that the figures shown were estimates, that the secod search (theirsite.tld) would refernece any "possible" match - not jhust the contents of that domain that DataCenters could also cause some variances
The OP decided to be stubborn and refuse that as answers. It comes to light that there are Multiple sites - each with an identical copy on a different DomainName (So we have External Duplciation). Furhter - all the sites were interlinking.
The OP had it explained to them that Duplication can result in Filtering - and thus cause the figures to be even more erratic. The OP blatantly ignored this as well.
There was also all the fun of the OP explaining their "forumula" for calculating what they shoudl have indexed. It completely disreagarded that Google may recrawl URLs already crawled/indexed that what is crawled may not be idnexed that what is indexed may not appear in the SERPs that the times for crawling/indexing/pushing can/do vary - based on site/resources etc. Further efforts were made to explain to the OP that they had not factored in the above they were assuming how Googel pushes updates between DataCenters
There were also points made that basically - al lthe information on the sites (inc. the Duplicates) could be found on other sites (the Original sites for that content). So not only was the OP creating External Duplications - the OP was already Duplicating content from else where. It was also hinted at (then refered to nuemrous times) that this coudl be viewed as Copyright infringement and theft etc.
Through all of it - the OP has remained stubborn, willfully ignorant and blatantly refuting any form of logic, commonsense or intelligence. The OP has remained adamant that no-one bar Himself or Google staff could possibly understand the complexities involved, and that thos e who have been providing answers/help/insights were basically stupd and wrong.
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Ta da - how was that?
Of course - you miss out on all the great humour, sarcasm, insults etc. I invested a lot of time on some of them - so please - do read through some of my posts .... in this Topic or one of hte others for this OP I do a lovely "treat them like a 5 year old" post.
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All in all - this Topic (and a few others) do not show the group in a good light. Some of us have resorted to unpleasant (varying degrees) behaviour/resposnes. Then again - the group on the whole doesn't like rude/willfully ignorant people - and I believe is more than justified in responding in a manner according to defense :D
One more time: Not a SINGLE point above has ANYTHING to do with the issues discussed.
Not a SINGLE ONE.
Simple as that.
In a properly functioning system following things hold:
1. Estimates can not exceed a reasonable ranges, calculated as maximum deviation.
Otherwise, those estimates are not only meaningless, but misleading.
2. Numbers can not jump several orders of magnitude under the same conditions. Period. Numbers MAY be different, but only within the reasonable range and only when a particular DC is in the process of being updated for a given site.
3. If those wildly ranging numbers retain consistent values and do not just randomly jump, that means they do correspond to something that takes place in reality. In our case, both low AND high numbers remain consistent within reasonable range, and therefore represent some things that do happen in a system.
4. A search of more limited scope, such as search on some keyword phrase, can not possibly produce bigger estimated number of pages than the widest possible scope, and that is site:... type of search. The widest possible scope is the site:... type of search, that MUST produce the largest possible number.
5. A search on a single chapter can not possibly produce more pages than indexed on entire site.
6. If several sites are generated with the same set of tools and under the same conditions, it is not possible for some of those sites to stop being crawled, while other sites, generated with exact same tools and methods are being crawled.
7. Estimated number of pages indexed can not possibly jump wildly from page to page on SERPs. They should remain the same regardless of which page you are accessing at the moment, even if search is being rerun for a different SERP. The variation MAY take place if search is rerun by switching page, but that variation can not possibly be larger than your grand transaction size, calculated as your absolute maximum deviation from mean/average value of number of pages indexed at any given time, expressed via crawl rate.
It is totally irrelevant if some pages get filtered for whatever reason. Results should remain consistent, whatever they are, and can not possibly jump in such a wild manner.
It is TOTALLY irrelevant if you do or do not have any duplicate content. That can not possibly affect the estimated number of pages under the same conditions if searches are performed within the same time frame.
It is TOTALLY irrelevant how "good" or "bad" your content is. The search results MUST remain consistent REGARDLESS of ANY and ALL factors.
While traversing the SERPs, if you have the same estimated number of pages on all serps stable, and then, all of a sudden, it jumps to much lower value, that means either
your system is unstable or results are artificially manipulated.
Do you understand what it means ARTIFICIALLY manipulated?
It means Google is screwing you BY HAND.
It means Google is DESTROYING you.
Simple as that.
The results can not possibly jump between two relatively stable values as we see in this case,
1,000,000 pages and some 300 pages. But, BOTH of those values remain relatively stable.
The bottom line:
The results as being observed and in MANY cases, not just one,
and from MANY different angles, not just one,
could possibly occur in two cases:
1. System is unstable as a result of NUMEROUS bugs caused by totally incorrect code
and totally inappropriate optimizations.
2. System is manually manipulated or its behavior is modified artificially.
The observed stability of estimates may as well be caused by presence
of "shadow" DC, which only kicks in at particular points of system instability.
Or, it is possible that a REFERENCE DC (the one that contains the largest
number of pages indexed) kicks in at some critical points of system instability.
To determine what exactly is going on would require an investigation.
But under no conditions, according to any system of logic I know of, the behavior
of a normally functioning system could be similar to what has been observed in cases
discussed on these threads.
1. If you perform a search on any of "Top search queries" shown on your webmaster page, you MUST see an entry in the SERP in a position close to one shown on "Top search queries". The position MAY change within the reasonable range. But you MUST see the link on SERPs in some position. Query can not simply disappear from SERPs if it was present in your "Top search queries" list. Period. What we see in OUR case, is MANY queries reported on your "Top search queries" list, if performed again, will not show up on ANY SERP. This is not possible in a normally functioning system.
2. Your crawl rate can not possibly jump from an average 1000 pages/day to 0 - 3 pages/day and remain at that rate for MONTHS on. Not possible in a normally functioning system.
The "engineer" that claimed such an unprecedented behavior to be "normal" would get fired on the spot from any place I had a chance to work for on the basis of utter incompetence.
The results observed and proved to exist in these cases may indicate ALL sorts of problems with search engine in ALL sorts of conditions and situations and the results are even hard to imagine.
Basically, the system behavior could be classified as erratic, AT BEST.
"There's no reason to worry about this approximation" is not an answer.
It does not explain why these kinds of variations happen and why these lower and higher values on number of indexed pages are stable. Combined with the fact that some, if not most of "Top search queries", if repeated, do not produce references to the articles on any page, not only in the position as shown in "Top search queries", this answer does not answer anything.
Secondly, customer service rep does not necessarily have necessary competence and expertise, especially in the issues such as these.
The absolutely contradictory search results can not possibly be answered with statements like these.
Combined with the fact that there has been no article views with google referrals for more than a week, since July 9, 2009, it is abundantly clear what we are seeing IS something to "worry about" indeed.
Furthermore, this totally unexplainable behavior shows itself in all sorts of cases.
I've only read first post, JohnMu's answer and then from the cliff notes down...
I have seen this type of thing with site queries before and always thought it was strange. In my books there is no denying that these kind of wild changes in the estimate of pages indexed is hard to understand. However, JohnMu has provided an answer (sort of) and that answer is basically it does that because it does that.
My guess is that JohnMu will not be providing any further details because Google is not in the habit of explaining how their system works...but rather making sure that it does work. Perhaps revealing the exact mechanations of why this happens would be equivalent to revealing one of their 11 secret herbs and spices.
pgelgued, rest assured, if this was a serious problem with Google's system, their engineers would be onto in a flash...they are not here to help webmasters but they are here to help searchers.
Autocrat - thanks for the cliff notes - but can you do some for the insults as well - I need new material for wind-ups.
I have conducted more tests and the results are simply astounding.
Hey, you can conduct anything you want.
And eat it too!
Lil do we care.
Without going into too much of a detail for various reasons, what I can say with certainty is this:
Many, if not most, of historical queries that were in fact performed as shown in
"Top search queries", if repeated, do not show any references on SERPs any longer.
Again, we are talking about hundreds, if not thousands of queries that show in top 10
positions. If the same queries are repeated, they no longer show ANY references in SERPs.
Not on the same page as original query shows them, and not on the next page, and not on
ANY page.
Yes, it IS possible for a small amount of them to disappear, but not for MAJORITY of them.
So, what I am seeing here is ALL sorts of problems, and about the hardest fact is:
There were no page views of article pages since July 9, 2009, which exactly aligns with
publication of a reference to following article:
http://tinyurl.com/kwabwx
Looking at all these unbelievable gyrations of behavior, it is hard to even begin to comprehend
what kind of consequences they could bring and in what kinds of situations, searches, etc.
Again, if you perform most of queries on that screenshot, you won't be able to find them showing up on ANY of SERPs, not on the 1st page, and not on any other page.
Now, since these are showing up on webmaster pages, that means in no uncertain terms that these queries were in fact performed at least once and the results did show up in the position indicated. So... Where did they all go now?
Vast majority of "Top search queries" simply evaporated if the same search is performed at this moment. And again, not simply moved to a different position on SERPs, but completely disappeared from SERPs altogether.
Vast majority of "Top search queries" simply evaporated if the same search is performed at this moment. And again, not simply moved to a different position on SERPs, but completely disappeared from SERPs altogether.
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All of a sudden, out of the blue, I am finally seeing the CORRECT number of pages indexed. And those are exactly the numbers, I called the "right number" in my posts, including this one.
Let us see, dear Dr. Google.
And unless those numbers stay steady as they are right now, and the problem, whatever it is, is fixed, this in not going away. Simple as that.
OK, Dr. Google,
I am pretty much fed up with you.
In YOUR language, it is "I am very displeased with your performance".
In MY language, I am pissed with you as bad as it gets.
Now...
I have wasted a YEAR of my life, trying to "make it work",
doing ALL the stupid things you suggest I do,
like you are some kind of God, All Willing.
And no matter what I did, even writing PROGRAMS to make your dumb search engine to recognize
the simple things like 2 + 2 equals approximately 4.
I have waited for MONTHS after doing the major site updates,
waiting to see it showing up on this sucky Google thing.
I have waited for weeks to see my webmaster google bot charts updated,
to show me what is going on with my sites,
so I could try to do something, that can POTENTIALLY, yes, POTENTIALLY,
because all this is, is a stoopid guessing game with you,
change anything, just to see it did not,
and I do not even know what kind of "problem" could possibly cause this Google Grand Sickness.
Because of your secrecy of paranoid proportions,
and all your BLUFF about the "crown jewels",
you, SPECIFICALLY, and on purpose, delay certain events,
vitally important to webmasters,
to improve their sites and make them shine,
down to even being able to see whether google bot crawls your pages.
Even if you submit a sitemap, and ESPECIALLY a NEW site map,
in addition to ether site maps you might have on your site,
all your pages on that new site map are not going to show up on SERPS
for at least three months.
Why?
Well, and I am guessing on this one, just looking at all sorts of patterns of behavior,
because you are afraid of "spam".
And the broken logic goes:
Well, if this is spam site, let us see if it exists after 3 months.
If it does, then it MUST be a "valid" site.
According to WHAT monkey logic?
So, unless you add your new pages to the OLD sitemap,
you are asking for trouble, because they are not going to show up for 3 months.
Because of your secrecy of paranoid proportions,
and all your BLUFF about the "crown jewels",
you, SPECIFICALLY, and on purpose, delay certain events,
vitally important to webmasters,
to improve their sites and make them shine,
down to even being able to see whether google bot crawls your pages.
Even if you submit a sitemap, and ESPECIALLY a NEW site map,
in addition to the site maps you might have on your site,
all your pages on that new site map are not going to show up on SERPS
for at least three months.
Why?
Well, and I am guessing on this one, just looking at all sorts of patterns of behavior,
because you are afraid of "spam".
And the broken logic goes:
Well, if this is spam site, let us see if it exists after 3 months.
If it does, then it MUST be a "valid" site.
According to WHAT monkey logic?
So, unless you add your new pages to the OLD sitemap,
you are asking for trouble, because they are not going to show up for 3 months.
What it means is, apparently, according to Google, the information ages with time,
like a piece of bread on your table.
The more it sits on the table, the more stale it becomes, until it simply rots away.
That is ALL it essentially means.
So, according to this concept, the most "valuable" information is blogs and other useless blabber,
that is updated hundreds times a day on some blogs.
The Google strategy to facilitate all this garbage, is to make it the highest priority item,
to be placed on top slots of SERP pages.
The more often they blabber about something, the more often Google bot crawls that site.
So, if you see your pages are not crawled by this great Big G (masonic symbol),
no problem. You can fix it very easily.
How?
Well, update your sitemap every day. Add a couple of garbage pages. And, tadaaaam. You are in business!
One more time:
The more often you update your sitemap, the more often G bot crawls your site,
and, therefore, by definition, updates your Grand G Index.
Simple, ain't it?
Verified, tested and you name it. It simply works, and works like a champ.
Well, one of the most furiously peddled delusions on Google webmaster forums is duplicates.
They will be telling you that your content needs to be "unique and compelling".
In fact, if you look around, this will be about the only thing they blabber about all day long.
If you do not know how to find the information using the information itself,
because your "technology" is totally outdated,
then you will be using all sorts of totally irrelevant factors, such as this one.
No problem, dear Google. It will be as "unique" and as "compelling", as it gets.
How?
Simplest thing in the world.
What do you need to make ANY garbage page, you copied from some stupid place, look like something unique?
Simple, just add some garbage to it, that looks like something that makes sense.
It could be ALL sorts of things, like merging two articles into one, thus making it "unique".
Well, it DOES become "unique" since you are the only one on the net, who combined these specific pieces of crap to make it one article.
That is ALL there is to it.
And there are WAY more creative ways to do it.
There are even programs written.
Just look around. It is all there.
True, they are not as sophisticated, compared to what CAN be done,
but sufficient enough to virtually do miracles.
And, if we talk about the ultimate sophistication and power,
there is the master program written, that can easily extend it to ANY level conceivable,
down to generation of TOTALLY unique articles, with PERFECTLY valid and unique content,
on any subject you wish,
going as far, as utilizing the syntax analysis and even perform the substitution of equivalent words, phrases and notions,
which will make your articles so unique, that even the supreme court will not be able to sniff it out.
To even ATTEMPT to analyze those articles with ANY kind of "AI", Google claims they use,
is such an immense task, that it will take them thousands of times more computation power to analyze any of it,
than for you to GENERATE ANY of it, with a single button push.
You can even impersonate any types of personalities you wish,
such as a little girl, a bully, a cop, a criminal, an egghead, or anything you can imagine.
That program is used by The Mothership, which you may, or may not hear about.
One of the things that impact that "ranking" delusion,
as information can not possibly have any kind of these discriminatory "ranks",
is this one:
The longer something is, the more important it must be...
Actually, it gets more technical than this, as it triggers ALL sorts of other delusions, called rules, in search engine.
You see. If your article is longer, and has the same buzzwords, repeated several times, then, by some magic power,
that article climbs up above others in terms of weight, or significance.
Because it seems like they are talking DEFINITELY about something you might be looking for, right?
Well, since they mention the same word again and again, that article MUST have to do with it!
WRONG!
And this is how you do it.
Take two similar articles, talking about the same thing approximately,
the same parts in your inventory, the same issues in ANY field or area you can think of, and...
combine, combine, combine.
All you have to do is to make one article out of two.
Poor BMW Motors, one of the most respectable names on the planet Earth, was forced down, on its knees before Grand G,
and made to cry like a child. Why?
Well, how do you make the inventory pages of all of your franchises look "unique and compelling"?
SIMPLE. You just happen to talk to wrong people. Simple as that.
You did not have to be humiliated by Google and told: "Do as you are told or else...".
And even BMW had to swallow its pride, at least from what I have seen around about that story.
The problem with automotive industry and plenty of others, is that ALL your franchises have the same parts.
MILLIONS of those. Do you want them to write the "unique and compelling content" about the same parts?
How?
Well, simple. Just combine. Could be done automatically by computer program.
Basically, for Google, to be able to determine that something is unique,
they would have to do a significant amount of computation and pattern matching with their so called AI.
Do you know how many patterns of thought there are?
You would be surprised. Not that many.
So, there comes a point, where trade-off and computation power required to detect the subtle enough details,
is just WAY too much, with all the consequences of it.
It would take you 1/1000 of the computation power to regenerate that content in just about any way imaginable,
using virtually unlimited number of tricks.
There is a complete chapter, written on this.
Sorry, have no time to find it for you. Look around. It is there.
Let us look at the sitemaps issue.
What are the sitemaps and why do I need them?
Well, hard to say, in terms of yes and no.
Sitemaps help Google, not you, to minimize the waste of computation resources.
That is pretty much the extent of it.
What does it mean?
Well what it means is this:
If you have a sitemap, Google does not have to load some pages that may not exist.
It also depends on how well your site is structured and interlinked.
Meaning, if your site is easily crawlable from ANY page, and not just from the main index page,
than it really does not matter whether you have it or not.
Assume you have a relatively large site.
When Google bot gets an idea of outstanding requests to crawl,
either from one of your pages, it already crawled,
or from your sitemap, it schedules the next page hit, or page visit.
If it already crawled everything it knows about your site,
it looks at the sitemap to see if there are any OTHER pages outstanding.
Those pages, that have not been crawled yet.
If it finds any of such pages, it schedules them. Ask Google about scheduling algorithm.
And now, the meat of it:
If you provide Google with a sitemap, it knows what to crawl and can EASILY check which pages to schedule,
So, when it hits your page, the chances are very high, it is going to hit the existing page,
unless your sitemap is no good.
So, it can utilize ALL sorts of scheduling strategies.
Now, the fun part begins if you have a large site, say more than 1000 pages.
What happens then, largely depends on MAJOR site updates.
Say you have a new version of every single page.
Do you submit a sitemap?
Think again. Why? Well, when you do so, and Google finds that these are new pages,
not existing before, it may place you in a "sandbox".
That is, it WILL crawl your new pages, but it will NOT update its index.
One of the reasons is because of all sorts abuse issues, spam, or what have you.
The underlying assumption is that if your site is new, you may be one of those "fly by night" operators.
You do all sorts of evil things and then disappear.
If your evil stuff becomes available via Google, it is not good for their reputation.
And, therefore, they place you on quarantine, for about 3 months, from what the latest data shows.
That means, if you do a major site update on a relatively large site,
that Google bot can not crawl in a single session, or in a single day, then you are going to be penalized in a strange way.
We are not going to blame Google for it, and yet, this is them, who is holding YOU hostage,
and not YOU, doing the "evil" things.
Because of that fictitious "evil" entity, that does evil things.
Now, let us assume you do a MAJOR site update on a large site.
You do NOT submit the complete sitemap, containing every page on your site,
but do it in small quantities, say 100 articles per session.
What is going to happen then?
Well, good for you!
Because you are going to "kill two rabbits with one shot".
How so?
Simple.
Since you are submitting your site in small chunks, updating a small number of pages every day,
what google bot will "think", is that you are some top notch site, being updated all the time.
What does THAT have to do with anything?
Well, simple enough. That bot will find a limited number of new pages,
and can not possibly suspect ANYTHING "wrong".
Just the other way around, it will "think" you are some hot site, updated all the time.
Now, the "latest and greatest" Google concept, called "the dynamic nature of the net",
states: ANY garbage, updated more often than other pages, becomes a "priority item".
It is like some sort of "hot news".
Get it?
So, the question becomes then:
Why would ANYONE provide a sitemap to Google, the manifestation of Evil Most Profound,
to tell all YOUR "secrets"? After all THEY have THEIR secrets.
So, by the same token, why can not YOU have some secrets to benefit YOU, not them?
Get it?
The bottom line is this:
First of all, you can just forget the sitemap altogether,
at least if your site is well interlinked and google bot can find the next thing to eat, or to crawl.
It does not buy you ANYTHING.
About the only thing it can POSSIBLY do is to create PROBLEMS, and problems FOR YOU, not for them.
You may find yourself penalized for nothing evil of your own, but theirs.
If you still do not get it, think about it.
ALL the information you need is above.
Good luck.
And I have been watching my webmaster pages in total stunningness,
to see my half a million of perfectly valid pages not to EVER get "higher" in this "rank" delusion of yours,
than none, non existent. Do you understand?
About the BEST information on the net is not even ranked, like it does not exist.
Even after a YEAR!
Even after no one less than Microsoft, even this sucky Google, or HP, Sun, Intel, AMD, and on and on an on,
are using these sites on a daily basis.
And you, suckers, have insulted me in the most perverted ways, with all these degenerate, violent monsters,
you call "top contributors" here, harassing people left and right, and making them feel guilty of something,
they have never done, while, at the same time, having NOT A SINGLE clue what they are talking about,
just like your own servant, JohnMu stated bluntly:
"I do not mind you continue your SPECULATION...".
Do you understand what these "top contributors" are peddling here?
SPECULATIONS.
And some of them are stoopid enough to peddle it all as reality.
And I have seen the stuff, I have never seen in the entire history of computing,
not just some plain screwups, but things, that make hairs on your head to stand up.
And I have seen you deleting the evidence and destroying articles and even threads.
And I have seen you insulting me by simply removing my articles and leaving those ugly concoctions
of derogatory nature and then closing those threads,
so I could not possibly reply to some of the most obscene concoctions.
And I have even seen you, sickos, blocking not only the closed thread, leaving the insults as a final dot,
but even going as far in your sickness, as to block the ACCOUNT!
Woooow!
For WHAT kinds of "reasons"?
Did you block the accounts of those, engaged in the most horrendous insults?
How many days, if now weeks did it take you to even get involved?
How many facts and specific requests for clarification have you ignored?
Are you TOTALLY sick?
And I have seen your total denials of the hardest evidence there is,
and not only that, but accusations, telling me "it probably never happened".
And I have logged your tootoo to the millisecond level.
And I have seen Google employees, not only condemning the most outrageous violence,
but even supporting it, via most cunning and seemingly invisible ways.
It is such a disgust, I have NEVER seen ANYTHING of a kind in my entire life,
and I have seen so much in my life, some of your sculls may crack.
And the net result?
Hopeless case.
Well, screw that Google. ALL it means that the programmers in the USA are not going to get
the best version of whatever they are looking for, and the most appropriate version, and the
cleanest version.
But, it is not MY problem.
Blame Google for that.
If you are stoopid enough not to bookmark important things, too bad, pal.
Software business is not a land of sloppy, like Google.
It is a land of sharp as a blade.
You did not bookmark it? - Too bad.
But, other search engines are doing just fine.
I did not have a SINGLE PROBLEM with ANY of other search engines.
No site maps.
No mindfuck.
No horrendous, confusing, and utterly vague idiotic "documentation", that tells you nothing of real significance,
beyond a couple of sentences of guilt manipulating moral crap that has nothing to do with anything,
No stoopid webmaster pages, that simply show you more numbers, that do not reconcile with any other numbers
on any other pages, and by ORDERS of magnitude.
I bet even Google does not know how many pages are indexed on my site.
And I have seen the deliberate, MANUAL manipulation of search engine to literally kill my sites,
just as this last week shows, on the top of last 3 months, if not more.
But ALL of it can not possibly cause anything, but the feeling of UTTER disgust with this sick stuff,
either broken beyond repair, or manipulated beyond obscene.
What is this sick concept of "supplementary index", you dodos?
And your "crown jewels" are what?
Well, let us look at it.
First of all, it is not jewels, but a jewel. ONE. - Backlinks.
Secondly, what means a "crown jewel", which I call the Ace Card,
because you are playing a game, and nothing more than that?
But you pose as a KING!
You see the difference?
What does a CROWN associate with?
Well, the KINGS.
Why is crown made the way it is, and that is with sharp endings, pointing upward?
Well, it is a symbol of ultimate authority, connected directly to the sky, the highest of the highest.
And what is the JEWEL in the crown?
Well, it is a symbol of utmost wealth and power, the HIGHEST value there is on this planet.
When King comes out and sits on his throne, and shows everybody his CROWN,
by slowly turning his head, right to left,
he demonstrates, the ULTIMATE, Godly AUTHORITY.
Everyone is to fall down on they knees before him.
Because there is no one higher than him on this planet.
ANY active neurons on line?
And what is this dinky Google thing?
What CROWN?
WHAT jewels?
All you have is an Ace Card.
And even that one is fake.
Because the concept of backlinks is nothing more than the HERD indicator.
And you peddle it as an indicator of Truth?
Quality?
Do you want your own quote on this?
About that degenerate in the white house?
And so I am finally disgusted with this sick thing, called Google.
And the masters are telling me: why do you bother with all this?
Socrates simply laughs at me.
Pythagoras says, well, the structure is correct, but don't you see what you are dealing with?
Osho? Well, he always says: just relax, see the stupidity of it all. Why get so worked up about it?
But, sorry.
That is just the way I am. I can not possibly feel detached. I am attached to this level, called the Earth Level.
And what I do is what HAS to be done.
NOW!
At the highest level possible, and in the most precise way.
It is not even money, power or fame.
It HAS to be done.
NOW!
Google, you are a hopeless case.
You are not listening.
You are blind.
You peddle delusions.
You search engine is nothing more than a garbage generator, totally broken, and built on concepts
of at least 2 generations old, TOTALLY outdated, and COMPLETELY wrong, in the most profound ways.
Yes, you can still claim the performance achievements, and that can not be argued about.
But that is ALL you have.
The majority of top items on SERPS is UTTER garbage, filled with all sorts of spam,
or some blubber by the clueless.
The closer to the top of in SERPS, the more chance it is the worst spam you can find.
.
Your latest and greatest "dynamic nature of the net" is just the same delusion just like all others.
The information does not age.
The information does not depend on stoopid backlinks.
Or some other stoopid links, pointing at some delusions, signifying nothing at the end.
Information has NOTHING to do with the h1 header font size.
It has NOTHING to do with the cunning hidden text, just because "you suck" type of thing.
It has NOTHING to do with alt text.
It has NOTHING to do with article length.
It has NOTHING to do with how many times you repeat a thread name, stuffed with stoopid keywords,
used to screw your search engine, and to get into number 1 position, which I can show you.
The LOWEST GRADE GARBAGE IS IN NUMBER ONE POSITION ON GOOGLE SERPS.
I will show you this as hardest evidence imaginable.
With MILLIONS of ABSOLUTE GARBAGE articles, indexed by Google search engine
as the TOP "rank" delusion.
And that is just a small part of what this sick Google thing is.
UTTERLY sick.
Beyond repair.
It has to be scrapped and rewritten.
They won't even be able to use their efficiency hacks to carry over to new version.
Because delusions are wired in, down to hardware level, well, almost.
And so...
You know what?
I could care less if you exist, no matter how big or fat you are or how badly do you stink.
You suck, and this is a hopeless case.
Dumb, deaf, insensitive, arrogant, offensive, destructive, sick, perverted, violent,
and about 200 other words to follow.
This stupid Google javascript thing eats all my CPU time.
If you have ANY pages, related to Google open, then you don't have your computer.
Google "owns" it, with their sucky javascripts, broken beyond belief,
eating up all my CPU time by not responding to certain conditions.
Yes, you can blame it on javascript and the issue of async processing, like it is not you.
But it is YOUR page that triggers about the worst, most primitive aspects of javascript language, which is nothing more than an ugly hack,
even inferior to Forth language, developed a couple of generations ago.
I don't remember anything working on a decent level at google beyond some stuff they show you
on SERPS, 90% of which is the lowest grade crap.
The closer you get to "top ranks", the more chance it is going to be UTTER crap,
a waste of time,
unless you hit some home page of some well known product or company.
Actually, what I see recently, is that once you perform searches via google and try to click on some link on SERPS,
the latest and greatest version of firefox simply gets frozen, showing you the rotating wheel, but page access never completes .
It simply hangs.
The CPU time is eaten up, 100%, and it does not complete.
Even if you quit firefox and look at the task manager, firefox still appears as a live process,
consuming 100% of your CPU time. You can not do anything, but kill that process, which is the worst thing to do,
or reboot your computer, loosing tons of pages, screens and other things you are doing.
And that ONLY happens with Google.
I do not recall any other page that causes this kind of problem.
Sure, not clear where the problem is, and I can not blame it squarely on Google,
at least with the facts I have.
But I DO see Google in the picture again,
and again it is about the MOST unpleasant "positive user experience",
which is the slogan, peddled on Google webmaster forums.
Oct 12 2009 14:53 GMT ----------------- Results 1 - 10 of about 49,500 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.18 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 22,600 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru. (0.15 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 26,700 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.24 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 15,200 from cppgoldmine.by.ru. (0.11 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 11,600 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.16 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 58,300 from tarkus01.by.ru. (0.16 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,020 from jsgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.15 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,230 from pythongoldmine.vndv.com. (0.12 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 1,020 from pgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.15 seconds)
Oct 13 2009 00:59 GMT ----------------- Results 1 - 10 of about 1,430 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.10 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 22,600 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru. (0.14 seconds)
877 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com Results 1 - 10 of about 15,200 from cppgoldmine.by.ru. (0.10 seconds)
153 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com 431 from tarkus01.by.ru 104 from jsgoldmine.uuuq.com
Do you see these numbers? How bout 100 times off? Just compare the same sites, only a few hours later.
Sure, tell me about how "stoopid" am I because these are "approximations".
Dear Sir, you are approximately on the Earth. It could be the planet Earth, but it could be a couple of planetary systems away.
How many pages do you have indexed on your site? Well, ask JohnMu. He has a script that gives you the explanations, he usually plays to those, who doubt our doctrine:
"Google is always right, and you are always wrong".
And all those were searched within about 5 minutes. The differences is all in the browsers and the logins (2 accounts, 1 logged out- All in FF, IE, and Chrome) . Scrolling through the SERPs, they are almost identical, a few personal preferences came into account with 1 user. But generally, they are identical.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but are you getting lower numbers either logged in or in FF? Also if you are using a service (Web CEO, rankings checker, etc.) there is a chance they are doing the same. However, from the book, i'm guessing its hand done and personally checked, so there might be a control issue because I can simulate it with a few tweaks to my browser.
If its not 100% controlling all variables (time of day, location, browser, login, and more) there will be fluctuation.
Now, what do the above numbers tell you, if anything?
Translating, to particularly gifted kind:
The first set of numbers tell ME this:
We can make you fly like a bird.
The second set of number say:
Or we can make you crawl like a worm.
Anybody noticed anything?
Well, translating for particularly gifted kind:
Both of these sets of numbers, sampled within less than 12 hours from each other, can not POSSIBLY happen in ANY properly functioning system, NO MATTER WHAT. Simply not possible, under ANY conditions whatsoever.
The first set of number does represent true condition of what is ACTUALLY indexed by Google.
The second set of numbers tell you that not only we can make you crawl like a worm, but we can even make that worm crawl SO slow, that it will look mentally retarded, even to other worms, because those numbers are even 3 times smaller, that just about 24 hrs. ago, in the previous sample.
For all those, with difficulties with comprehension it is like this:
You do a search on Google and look at the number one item on SERPS.
It happens to be a picture of an angel.
But...
If you repeat the SAME EXACT search again, and look at the number one item again,
what you see is a picture of big red ass,
and, just to top it of,
if you repeat the same search one more time, then in the number one item, you will see the picture of the Devil himself.
Nice, eh?
Impressive, Dr. Google.
Never thought you're going to show THIS kind of performance. That is ALL there is to it.
And ALL the "explanations" from "top contributors", and even Google employee, you can find as easy, as it gets, especially if you look at the version of this very thread, fully tagged, with table of contents via this link:
The reference version of The Book Of Google, which tells you ALL you need to know about what Google is, what it does, how it really works, what are those backlinks, and the rest ... of the story.
To the individual, who bothered to independently verify these numbers:
Your analysis is correct, and what you are seeing is the EXACT problem, only independently verified, and not by some sicko, but by Top Contributor, that could not possibly have any vested interest the forge these numbers.
These kinds of variations, by THOUSANDS times, can not possibly be explained by:
1. Variations between different DCs (Data Centers) 2. The state of update of particular DC. 3. Type of browser you are using. 4. The operating system you are running.
Or ANYTHING you can imagine, in your WILDEST dreams. These numbers are not only TOTALLY wrong, but there is enough evidence on record to make statements with FAR reaching consequences, and not only for these particular sites,
but for ANY OTHER SITE ON THE NET.
Furthermore, as has been explained already, and could be EASILY located in the reference version of this thread, THE SAME EXACT QUERIES, that are shown on your Google webmaster page, and most of them, in TOP 10 positions, if repeated again, produce NO SERP page with the same site.
Not in the top 10, not in the top 20, not in the top 30, and you can flip as many pages, as you wish. They simply do not exist.
Such a thing is NOT possible under ANY circumstances whatsoever, no matter what kind of "latest and greatest" strategy Google is implementing at the moment.
Queries can not simply evaporate. Your POSITION on SERPS MAY, and WILL change. If you were in top 10, and repeat it again tomorrow, you may find yourself in top 12, or even 15. But not in top 50. Those things do not happen over night. And if you can not find yourself AT ALL, that means what?
That means you are ARTIFICIALLY and MANUALLY being destroyed. The MANUAL overrides have been implemented to destroy your specific site.
Which is the very subject of this thread, if you have not noticed even to THIS point:
What we are dealing with is MANUAL MANIPULATIONS, where Google can make you a King, or make you the "filth", the "inferior" race, no matter what you do, no matter what kind of song you sing, no matter what kind of COURT you are going to take them for these kinds of games with people lives.
"Sorry, we are just business, like any other, just trying to make a buck. We are not OBLIGED to show ANY of you in our index. We are not obliged to show you in ANY particular position. We are not obliged to make our systems work according to principles of computation.
We are just giving you a "FAVOR", and a favor for FREE. And THAT is why we got so fat and bloated. By providing these great services to mankind for free.
And if you don't LIKE any of this, tough. Good luck. WHO is FORCING you to use Google? WHO is saying ANY of it MUST make ANY kind of sense?
And what if we are just playing The Grand Game Of Evil With Everyone? WHO is forcing you to play it with us?
I think you just completely ignored my post. but i took another look and found it very easy to remedy the results. this is where you were too hasty: 3. Type of browser you are using.
it can and will effect your results, rather actively depending on your settings, cookies, everything. i now get Results1-10of about49,600frommfcgoldmine.uuuq.com
across the board. all i had to do was clear all private data. you can search on whichever search engine you prefer for this topic and you'll find other people have seen the same problem, they cleared and reset everything, including cookies and boom, it was even keeled. i have even results, even to the number of pages i can wade into your results before getting the "some search results omittedd... yada yada"
i think you need to re-evauate your testing methods because it could very well be on your end. its happened before and it will happen again. if you really want to test something, you have to control all the factors.
1. Variations between different DCs (Data Centers) 2. The state of update of particular DC. I guarantee you will find differences in the results you get from different locations. I know because i'm behind the great firewall that is china. i can use a vpn and get different results, or i can not and i get to download free music and get different information. there is variation and not always where you'd expect.
3. Type of browser you are using. it depends what cookies your browser has saved and its settings. i only use IE for one companies FTP and to check SERPs for people, my FF is all decked out for private use, and Chrome is for company login. they all have different personal data, cookies, and information about my search preferences, location, etc. as such, they do get different results until i clear the data. if you are clearing all personal data between every search, while logged out, then you are 100% correct. if not, you are wrong.
4. The operating system you are running. well yeah
there is more, but unless you are going to take any of this advice i'm not going to continue, but right now, your testing methods aren't transparent and therefore can't be trusted. i set it up properly and have gotten the results that you desire and say you deserve, rather consistently. your site is doing fine and looks spiffy to me, but i think your tracking methods have the problem
Why Socrates?
Well, because he was doing the same thing.
In his dialogs, out of this world, as recorded by Plato, his disciple,
he was doing the same thing. Proving it to such an extent, that even a 5 year old child could see.
Proving that these con men, calling themselves philosophers,
are in fact the biggest idiots there are.
And have not a clue of what they are peddling.
The result - poisoned.
"Why are you trying to kill me?
For all that I have done for you, you should be giving me some food, clothes and shelter to the rest of my life.
And I do not need much. No big bux. Just food, clothes and shelter."
Verdict - kill.
On the basis of?
Well "corrupting the minds of young"!
Nothing less than that.
WHO is CORRUPTING the minds of young?
Him?
Or is it YOU?
Why Pythagoras?
Well, because Pythagoras happened to have traveled around the entire planet Earth.
By FOOT.
Accumulating all the sacred knowledge, available in ANY land, all the MOST advanced knowledge.
Then he brought it back to Greece.
And created the biggest library on the face of the planet Earth.
And he created a school.
The idea of Sacred Proportions is his.
The solution of triangle, that revolutionized the world, was his.
The idea of an octave is his.
It took almost two MILLENNIUMS for that idea to become the foundation
of harmonic analysis by Furrier, that is now wired in into your mobile phones.
The verdict? Burn him ALIVE, and all his disciples with him!
For what?
For giving you all these treasures?
For creating one of the most outstanding educational institutions and archives?
Burn it all down to ashes!
For what?
So that nobody knows there is light at the end of tunnel!
So we can keep sucking their blood by rivers, as long, as they are nothing more than a bunch of donkeys,
not to insult donkeys, because even donkeys are smarter than that.
It has been said that the library was burning for months.
So big it was.
ALL OF IT DESTROYED.
Osho?
Poisoned!
For what?
Go find out.
In a single sentence: for creating a WORKING model of social organization,
where people live and work in harmony, joy and love.
And no one even thinks of screwing each other, or sucking each other's blood.
They simply did not have money.
They did not need it.
All your basic needs covered.
And if you want something fancier than that, you are welcome to use your bank account.
The brightest star known to me, and I know them all.
The verdict?
Well, not even a verdict is necessary.
Concoct some TOTALLY bizarre "case", sucked out of your finger,
that has no chance to stand in court.
Throw him in jail. Why is that? Is he a serial killer, representing danger, and needs to be isolated?
Then, to hide your tracks, transport him from one jail to another every single day.
In one of those jails, give him a piece of bread, sprinkled with Thallium,
which is transparent and does not even smell.
Because his people, including one of the most prominent lawyers, you can find,
are trying to figure out where he is, and, as soon, as they receive the information,
about which city and which jail he was transported to, within the last 24 hrs.,
immediately flew to that city, just to find out he was transported again,
yet to another city, about 5 times over, if I recall correctly.
And then, when case was in court, just make him pay lots of bux,
and prohibit entry in the United Sucking States, for five years.
And why five years?
Well, because this is exactly the amount of time he has to live,
being poisoned with thallium. And if he is some kind of a criminal,
would he become non criminal in 5 years?
This fact alone is enough of a proof.
Ridiculous, isn't it? Corrupt as it gets.
What, is he some kind of drug dealer?
A murderer?
A thief?
What kind of "danger" he can possibly represent to the ENTIRE COUNTRY,
not to be allowed to enter for 5 years?
What is the problem to begin with?
Oh, you mean he called that degenerate of yours, Ronald Reagan, a gorilla and a third rate actor?
Well, he WAS in fact. At least as far as his mentality was concerned,
and his ugly nationalist idiocy, "pride" (idiots always like this pride thing),
his cunning lies about freedom, democracy, free world, this horrendous monstrosity,
called star wars, and the "CROWN jewel", just like with Google,
is that biggest lie of all, calling Russia "the evil empire",
while he knew all too well, that the real evil empire was his?
That gorilla was even given the highest honors of Freemasonry,
the 33rd degree, because of his "long time and extensive cooperation with Freemasons".
If ANY of you could even comprehend what that means, in your WILDEST dreams.
Why do you need to poison him?
For what? What does it achieve? Oh, you want to suppress the Truth, just like Google does?
What is new under the Sun?
That man did not even have pockets on his robe.
He did not even have a bank account, even though he gave every penny from his book sales,
to the commune. He did not have a penny. Literally.
He was in such a fragile state of health, that you have to be TOTALLY sick,
TOTALLY perverted, and TOTALLY EVIL, and in the MOST profound ways,
to even think that he represents ANY kind of danger,
or can even harm a fly!
Why did you do it then?
And then, for 5 years, he was dying, in IMMENSE pain.
When one of the most famous doctors looked at him and analyzed all the data,
he made this conclusion: such condition is only possible in one instance,
THALLIUM poisoning.
If not IMMEDIATELY detected, there is no trace of it left in the body. Within days!
Hallelujah!
And if you even come close to ANYTHING related to google, this is what is going to happen, if you post.
You get this weird message: "You session timed out. Please repost your message again".
Then, your browser freezes for minutes and if you look at your task manager, your hairs may raise, because what you are going to see is memory being consumed in stratospheric proportions, this lasts for up to a minute. Finally, after about 1 GIGABYTE of memory is eaten by your firefox browser, it will be released, and you will finally have your computer back, at least until you push that "post" button again.
Why?
Well, ask Google. It is THEIR "latest and greatest java scripts" that run on that page, not mine.
Dear sir, I did not ignore your post, I read it ALL.
It does not matter what kind of browser you are using. The results do not depend on browser. It does not matter whether you are logged in, or logged out.
It does not matter of your cache is on or off. Because the samples were sampled with all possible ways of viewing the page. Either by pushing the Search button again, in which case, you MAY get the same exact result, but observe the RESPONSE TIME on the message (... seconds). If that number is different, than of the last sample, then the response indeed comes from Google. Even if you do a PAGE RELOAD, still the same thing.
You can think of it as some kind of caching takes place. But not on the CLIENT end. If anything, it is on SERVERS end, and, even if THAT were the case, the results would simply stay the same, no matter what you do, at least according to YOUR logic, not mine.
You can achieve the EXACT same results, by simply clicking on search button again. If your INITIAL search produced LOWER number, in SOME instances, clicking on the NEXT page button on Google SERP, you MAY see that number, all of a sudden jumping to that HIGHER value. But not always. Now, once it jumps to that HIGHER value, no matter what you do, or what page you flip to, or whether you restart the same search again, it will stay on that HIGHER number.
This has already been explained on this very thread, if I recall correctly.
Nothing new to it.
One more time: this is not CACHING issue of ANY kind. Sorry. Ask Google and see what they tell you. This thread was started when again?
This issue is not significant enough for Google developers to interfere and clarify the issue? Provide definitive answer? With all technical reasons, that are not subject to secrecy rules?
By the way, when that number jumps to a high number as a result of pushing the NEXT page button on the SERP page, it will ALWAYS, consistently jump to that higher number on exactly page 31 - 40 of your result. ALWAYS.
This is so consistent, that this fact alone is enough of evidence that this has NOTHING to do with
caching. Furthermore, since you are accessing different page when you push the next button,
there can not possibly be an issue with caching. There is no cache, that could possibly be involved, since that page is a totally new page.
Even if you CLEAR the browser cache manually, it is still the same results.
Hope it clarifies this issue in your mind. If not, well, ask Google, THEY are the ones who are causing it, not me.
And again and again and again. You are doing a post of your article? Your own computer is not yours any more. ALL the CPU time is taken out. Browser is frozen. Task manager shows memory is being eaten up like crazy. By what? Once about 1 GIG of memory is eaten up, almost a minute later, all of a sudden, it is released, and you finally get your own computer back.
WHO is doing this? Firefox? "Evil" Microsoft? And how so?
Or is it Google and its not so famous "advanced technology" and their ten mile long javascripts? Ask them. See what they tell you. ALL I am doing is pushing this lil "Post reply" button on GOOGLE's page, not mine. And BOOM!
And for all those "smart" "top contributors", running their mealy mouths about this "waste" of you know what, one more time, for about the 10th time,
There is no need to waste your "valuable volunteer time" here. WHO is forcing you to read this thread? WHO is forcing you to post the replies, even knowing full time you are wasting "pixels"? Why are you SO evil and SO perverted as to do the same exact thing and support that great "waste"?
Secondly, you have already done all your sick insults. There is really no need for any more of your insightful input. It is all on record and can be accessed with a single button push, without even scrolling a page.
Simple, ain't it?
And you were told how many times, even by Google employee.
"You are welcome to continue your SPECULATION here, but ..."
ALL you are saying, at best, is SPECULATION, based on no facts of reality of ANY kind. And that is basically ALL you are doing here not only in this particular instance.
Are you trying to hijack this thread again? And again? And again?
And again?
Hoping it will eventually be destroyed and all the evidence gone?
Be my guest, not a problem at all, at least on THIS end of the wire.
Updated version of this thread is on line.
It includes all the articles up to this one, and some ideas on how to handle the most critical
issues with "duplicate content", "dynamic nature of the net" strategy by Google,
and a few other critical things, you read here all the time about.
Some things were expanded and some new tags added.
Plus it has links to a couple of more chapters from The Book Of Google.
It can be accessed at:
If ANYONE, EVER says a SINGE bad word about Osho Himself,
I, single handedly, will level Google to the ground.
Clear enough?
-- Acharya Veeren
The Council of Osho on the subject of Arts and Sciences.
Signed and sealed on this day of Wednesday 13, of the year 2009
since the time of one of the brightest stars, that have ever walked this planet,
also, nailed to a piece of wood, just like you ALWAYS do.
I mean ... this is ridiculous beyond belief, isn't it? We've been preaching
about what duplication is in this thread for weeks now, and the only thing you know to do, is to
replicate your stuff on a dozen addresses again??
These "top contributors" seem to be totally sick.
WHO are you to "to PREACH" ANYTHING here?
Just another lunatic and mentally unstable, megalomaniac, sick to the bone and marrow
with these ideas of superiority, just because you are driven by INFERIORITY complex?
What can you POSSIBLY preach here?
You are nothing more than a sadist. That is why I call you Dr. Mengele.
We are talking about one of the most perverted sadists during the WWII.
People like you happen to enjoy sticking pins under people's nails
and look up close into their eyes to see if their pupils expand in tremendous pain.
Because, being as dull as you are, you have to go to ultimate levels of perversion and sickness.
Because NOTHING less will do.
That really leaves me kinda helpless ... Man, don't you understand it's useless
to repeat things (as is running a bunch of similar sites)? Don't you understand each of
these URLs are competing with each other now, 'cause they are clones? It's like
wanting me to read the bible, and instead of giving me one volume in leather, you're
handing me a dozen of cheap pocket issues, in the hope those will convey the good message
better than the original thing would? C'mon, you really do not understand
what you're at, you're just damaging yourself, -delgado- - sad!
This is not me, who is preaching here.
I deal with REALITY.
But YOU deal with fiction.
I can prove what I say, and you can not.
So, WHO is "preaching" here what?
You say ARROGANCE?
Yep.
What else?
Remember Mansur, The Great Massacred?
What happened? Can you read?
Well, what happened is this:
He had enough arrogance and courage to say nothing less then ...
Tada: I am GOD!
What?
In ARAB lands?
It is the HIGHEST offense to say things like this.
Because it is profanations, and most arrogant insult!
The whole concept of God is strictly forbidden.
There are no Gods in those lands.
Only PROFITS.
No imagery allowed. Because you can not possibly crate a picture of God, or ANYTHING sacred. Whatever you create is nothing more than perversion. And the Persian art and architecture has SUCH a beauty, that everything else, even to this day, looks nothing more than a child's play, so primitive it is.
So, he essentially committed suicide by doing this kind of thing.
They chopped off his hands and asked: Are you STILL God?
He said: Yep, nothing changed.
They chopped off his legs and asked: are you STILL God?
He said: sure, what else?
And so chopped him like a chicken on your kitchen board, and for as long as he could speak, he would repeat the same thing.
"To conclude, I'd like to point out that in the majority of cases, having duplicate content does NOT have negative effects on your sites presence in the Google index"
Actually, the same exact quote was ALREADY provided, and on this very thread.
At the very beginning.
Secondly, as has been stated already, and on this very thread,
these are MIRRORS. If anything, Google needs to think harder how to assure reliability of information delivery
with this concept of "unique and compelling" content,
to make sure the information delivery and reliability issues do not suffer as a result.
Web has an inherent limitation. It is called a single point of failure, just as has been described already,
and on this very thread. But fine, for no one less than Dr. Mengele himself, repeating the umptieth time:
Since information is available on a single site, if that site goes off line, for whatever reason, that information becomes UNAVAILABLE, even though Google has it in its index. When you push that link on SERPS, you get a web equivalent of "blue screen orgasm", well, almost. Just to make it a lil bit more graphic, for particularly gifted.
The information related to software development is about the highest priority information on the net. Because. Well because, a this particular junction, every single effort must be made, and as quickly as possible, to develop new whatever you can imagine, because the situation on this planet is DEADLY.
Basically, you have about 2 generations left. Beyond that, you are going to deal with HELL on Earth. LITERALLY.
So, that information, and in the most sophisticated way, manner of delivery, ease of location, appropriateness of topics, and many other things, MUST be made available on 24/7/365 basis with at least 99.9999% chance of availability.
Simple as that.
These particular collection represent a TOTALLY new approach, that is at least 3 orders of magnitude more precise, that Google can deliver with its search engine.
EVERY single article in ANY chapter is GUARANTEED, 99.99% to be unique. Every single article in ANY chapter is guaranteed to be on topic of that chapter. More than 90% of articles in code example chapters are guaranteed to contain CODE examples or snippets, if you could only begin to comprehend what it takes to do THAT kind of miracle. Because even Google itself, at this particular junction, can not do it. Ask them.
And all this information is guaranteed to be deliverable with probability of 99.9% chance on 24/7/365 basis.
Why don't even QUESTION the validity of this "duplicate content" delusion? Why are you taking it as a WORD OF GOD? Have you, or ANY "architects" at Google even TRIED to address the issues of mirrors?
Do you want ME to propose you the solution to the simplest problem there is?
Fine, no problem. My fees are steep though. Considering Google is "saving money" on coffee machines, by closing down the coffee machine areas, because of the associated expenses on the paper cups, what follows is...
Actually, this "duplicate content" delusion is a featured item in reference version.
Plus, there is a solution proposed to handle it.
And that solution is going to cost Google hundreds of millions as a consequence.
And I am not even sorry for that, my dear Dr. Google.
YOU started this game, not me.
YOU spat into my face, not me into yours.
YOU insulted me in the most horrendous ways, not me.
YOU insulted my intelligence.
Things like that.
So, time to pay the bills yet?
You need the exact link? Just a sec, please...
It is called: "How to beat Google at their own game: Recipe 3 - Duplicates"
Hope you have no problem with cut and paste issue...
Kinda expensive on the computation power on GOOGLE'S end though.
About 1000 more expensive than on the client's end,
but what to do, that is just how this game goes.
They are temporarily experiencing some issues with availability.
It has been happening during the last couple of days.
Everything should be back to normal any moment, but I can not guarantee any of it.
That is the precise reason for having mirrors.
These sites are up, no matter what Google thinks about.
The information availability is about 99.99999%.
There is nothing like this on the entire net, with very few exceptions.
And, instead of PROMOTING these kinds of top notch, top reliability,
top cleanliness, top quality, top precision, top appropriateness sites,
what Google does is to PUNISH them!
To punish them for what?
What are the EXACT reasons these sites are punished?
What is the EXACT reason for these sites to have no "ranking", that even deserves to be mentioned?
Oh, you mean the mere fact that Google can not make a killing on them?
You mean the mere fact that there is not a single ad on any of the pages?
True, one counter does popups once in a while.
That is external javascript with the best independent counter I know of.
But they need to "survive" somehow also.
Recently, some users said they have noticed the increased number of popups.
Apparently, this counter has become more aggressive recently with their ads.
But not a SINGLE ad is generated by the code on these sites.
Not a SINGLE ONE.
It is all external javascript counter code.
We have been using this counter for a long time.
Never had any kind of problems with it until recently.
Yes, it is very unfortunate, we probably have to get rid of that counter altogether.
But, on this very moment, there is not a SINGLE ad, generated directly by the site pages.
You can just look at the source code to see it for yourself.
On ANY page you like.
Check these out. You should be able to find one, that works for you, 24/7/365.
The latest version should be the same on all mirrors though, but it is not guaranteed to be
absolutely the "latest and greatest version". But close enough.
So you put up ten versions, then screw up a couple
What do you mean by "screw up a couple", you sicko?
What 10 versions? Versions of what?
You must be UTTERLY corrupt. Down to the bone and marrow,
to even comprehend this kind of lowest grade garbage,
concocting something utterly obscene.
and claim that's why you need another eight?
Interesting logic. It's a good job every webmaster doesn't think like that.
Oh, guilt manipulation trick again?
This is simply sickening to even look at.
How perverted and corrupt you have to be,
to be able to put so much ugliest concoctions, sucked out of your own finger,
in a couple of sentences?
How do you know what some webmaster thinks about?
Do you have ANY authority to speak for them?
Which 10 versions?
What are you talking about?
Btw, this particular individual was given a new name recently, Mr. Criminally Minded Guilt Manipulator.
That seems to be like the most appropriate name for him.
Because that is what he does all the time. Guilt manipulation via criminal grade concoctions.
He seems to be simply obsessed with it. The very first statement of his was about theft.
I asked him: why is it the first thing that came to your mind is theft? Are you a thief?
Still waiting for an answer. These kind of people do not particularly excel in honesty.
Why would someone's mind be so filled to the brim with criminal ideas?
Ask the psychologists.
These people seem to be totally sick.
To even CONCEIVE concocting THIS grade of garbage, you have to be totally sick.
And he knows the whole thing in and out.
He is one of the most perverted, lowest grade sadists, that participated on this thread,
or any other, these sickos, called "top contributors", tried so hard to obliterate.
"Top contributors"? To what?
Can you even IMAGINE falling THIS low in this sickness?
What is he concocting?
Or his mind is in such a profound fog, he can not even think?
What is he actually saying here?
HOW is that you "you screw up a couple"?
By doing what, you idiot?
And this sicko knows everything about these sites.
It has been explained here ad nauseam that these are programmer sites,
dedicated to different computer languages. Each site is dedicated to different language.
And every single main site has a mirror.
Five languages - 10 sites.
Which TWO are "screwed up", you idiot?
Can you give me the URLs?
How many times do you have to repeat these things to these zombies?
And look at the crap this sicko concocts in his utterly desperate attempt at not even clear what?
What does he expect to ACHIEVE with this kind of garbage?
Does he think that everyone around is just the same brainless, perverted zombie like him?
Totally brainless? Without a functioning mind? Can not even compute 2 + 2 = 4?
It is like kleptomania. A maniacal level.
How could you POSSIBLY allow these kinds of people on Google webmaster forums?
Not only ALLOW, but PROMOTE them,
and not only promote, but promote to the HIGHEST status there is?
I am not going to be participating on THIS particular version of the thread.
I am closing this browser window, because I need those couple of hundred megs,
tied up in some DOM tree.
ANYTHING you wish to tell ME, better do on a new thread.
Title: What kind of SERPs manipulation is this - 2?
Well, does not look like it...
That one did not manage to survive even for one full day.
The first thing that happened once the thread was created,
is these very sickos, "top contributors", started to come by truckloads,
trying to hijack that thread also, just like they did to all other threads.
What they do, usually, is obliterate the most critical threads with the lowest grade garbage,
insults, perversions, ridicule, lies, concoctions and you name it.
Obviously, no one in his clear mind would be interested in reading THEIR crap.
And this is the whole strategy of it - Obliterate, obliterate, obliterate.
Well, for some strange reason, no idea what that was, JohnMu have removed that thread.
At least this time around, he had enough decency to make a final post
"I am removing this thread".
Understood. Looks like "top contributors" can not possibly behave like humans.
From the very start of that thread, they tried all they could to hijack it and fill it up will all sorts
of garbage and insults to totally obliterate the whole set of issues so no one would be interested
in reading THAT kind of garbage.
It was interesting to see how relentless these people are.
Probably the most amazing thing about it is that they are still around on Google webmaster forums,
and Google does not seem to be interested in doing anything about it to restore some kind of
decency on these forums, even though the livelihoods of plenty of webmasters and site owners
depend on whether their sites show up in Grand Google Index.
Pretty unfortunate circumstance I would say.
Strangely enough, there are plenty of ways to handle this situation.
Individual articles can be removed, just as they were, but only for the author.
People could have been reminded to behave decently, or else...
The most blatant harassers could have their account blocked, just like they did to author,
except for totally erroneous reasons, not even clear what WAS the reason to do so,
which is probably the BEST way to handle these criminally minded sickos.
Otherwise, Google webmaster forums look like insane asylum, and not the help forum of ANY kind.
And they genuinely represent the Google's most arrogant and blatant position on this,
which is nothing more than disgrace and discreditation of Google in the most graphic terms:
We could care less if you exist.
(Unless, of course, we can make a killing on the fact that you do exist.)
And what does Google do about it?
Well remove the whole thread, thus destroying the very evidence of it all, yet again,
so no one knows it ever existed.
Even after being reminded that these kinds of things can not possibly take place,
unless Google totally and completely "could care less if you exist or not."
Okay, I tried to be helpful but you ignored it multiple times because you won't take 5 minutes
to look from another perspective. You need to learn to read more carefully and not
just think you're right. In the last few posts you make plenty of mistakes and are
caught up in your perspective that you aren't seeing logic.
First off, timing out on your post because you said something about google?
That' 100% completely wrong. You can post anything you want here, some might get
removed after the fact. There is no filter on what you type. That's purely a
matter of time. If i started typing and wrote an hour long rant about how much
I hate cats and love puppies, it would get the same response, because it simply timed out.
its happened to everyone who types for a long time.
And for the duplicate content not hurting you in the SERPs, go read it carefully.
Yes it won't hurt you, if you are duplicating content within your own single web site.
not subdomains, different sites, etc. it means that the engine is going to pick just one
copy of the information to serve up. thats saying if i have the same article at 2 locations
on the same website, it won't hurt. now if i have the same information from a
completely different website i scraped or am serving up information on 10 different websites,
taht will affect the indexing. sure, it won't matter in the SERPs because some won't
go in the index. it will get looked at, indexed, then realize its duplicate and not the
original and thrown out.
So calm down and look from another perspective.
i'm sure this will have fallen on deaf ears.
Whose?.
You mean YOURS?
Why don't you clean them up?
so, if you are not going to listen to
advice or help, much less give it the time of day, please stop posting.
this is a forum, not a place for rants as many believe.
I certainly hope so.
Unfortunately, all I see is a rant.
Of yours. And lil foolish accusations.
And total misunderstanding of the issues.
And "explanations", that have NOTHING to do with topic of this thread.
How unfortunate... Even "top contributors" can not even grasp the problem.
You see, ALL you are doing here is trying to justify ALL sorts of holes in your logic,
and of the MOST rudimentary kind, the simplest things there are.
>And for the duplicate content not hurting you in the SERPs, go read it carefully.
>Yes it won't hurt you, if you are duplicating content within your own single web site.
not subdomains, different sites, etc.
> it means that the engine is going to pick just one copy of the information to serve up.
Fine with me. It has nothing to do with the issue discussed here.
I AM considering this fact. Even if search engine picks up only one copy,
the amount of pages indexed should be the same, as shown with HIGHER number.
That is 60,000 pages and not 300.
Difference like day and night.
As to your fine argumentation, this is not what we are talking about.
We are talking about the issue of EXACT same search returning 2 totally different numbers.
The difference is 1000 times. Such a thing is not possible under ANY conditions.
Regardless of whether you have "duplicate content" WITHIN your site, with OTHER sites,
or anything you can imagine.
The search MUST return pretty much the same results if repeated again
under the same conditions and within the same time frame.
THAT is the issue here.
I am FULLY aware of all sorts of issues related to "duplicate content".
Review this thread. It is all there already.
One more time, for the 10th time:
Google instructs you to check the number of pages indexed on your site by performing the site...
type of search.
And that result is TOTALLY incorrect.
It bounces between two stable values, the lower number and the higher number.
Those numbers differ 1000 times in some instances.
This is TOTALLY wrong and can not possibly be justified with ANY kind of argument,
even remotely related to how much of "duplicate content" you might, or might not have.
Read Google search engine architecture paper, to even begin to comprehend how Google search engine works.
That paper is available at Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA, USA.
I have no time to waste to dig up that link for you.
It will explain to your the search engine mechanics.
Yes, it is not the "latest and greatest" version of Google search engine architecture,
but fundamentals are EXACTLY the same, as I claim.
There are various optimizations. Displaying the total number of pages, as approximation,
is nothing more than optimization.
There are several cases where such huge discrepancy may in fact take place, and for more
than one reason, such as, but not limited to, when you perform a search, you may access
a totally different DC by repeating the same search again, and it is VERY likely you ARE
in fact accessing different DC.
All DCs have slightly different version of the same data, depending on its state of update.
That explains the difference between number of pages indexed.
But, you MAY be hitting a "shadow DC", or whatever you call it.
Or, you may be hitting the results that relate to SUPPLEMENTARY index, and not the main one.
And ONLY Google can answer these questions.
And ONLY developers, that do understand the search engine mechanics and system architecture,
and there are not that many of those at Google.
All you are talking about here is SPECULATIONS.
I need ANSWERS and REASONS. Not some ideas or inventions.
Interestingly enough, going through this very thread, while working on some of "top contributors",
one of them even states: "Oh, sure, this is a well know issue. And for YEARS.
Everybody knows these numbers are TOTALLY wrong, and not only for YOUR site".
This is not a direct quote.
So, FIX it then. This IS the way Google itself tells you to check the number of pages.
Second point: Why does this number JUMP by 1000 times?
Whatever is the issue with your site, this number should stay the same, regardless
of what DC you access (within reasonable range), or whether you have "duplicate content",
or ANY other "problem" with your site.
If there are "problems" with your site, that number should stay low, regardless.
Because that is what Google determined in relation to your site.
The very fact is that this number sometimes jumps to 1000 times higher value,
that happens to align with my own estimates on what should be the CORRECT number of pages indexed,
and that value is stable and repeatable,
CONSIDERING the issue of "duplicate content", either internally or even externally,
simply tells me that Google does in fact have ALL those pages indexed.
And it has been verified as much as possible under the circumstances.
Well, some tests were performed regarding the totally unheard of problems with loading this very thread
from Google server.
Surprise, surprise.
What we are seeing here belongs to domain of cybercrime.
What?
Yep. Now, this effect of firefox getting totally tied up in terms of CPU time,
and memory being eaten up like crazy, until firefox consumes 1 Gigabyte of memory,
and your own computer does not belong to you, for all practical terms, because it is frozen,
happens ONLY if you view this article from GOOGLE facilities.
If you view the same article from one of locations provided in the list, everything works just fine.
Page loads fast. No CPU time consumed, beyond reasonable amount, your computer still belongs to you,
and page loads as fast, as your bandwidth allows.
Furthermore, the latest attempt reload this page cause something totally new behavior,
never seen before with any site on the net.
Not only the amount of CPU time, consumed, is 100%.
Not only your memory is eaten up to proportions unseen.
But page load never completes. You can not even exit from firefox.
You have to KILL that process from task manager and reboot your box.
Basically, what it means, that it looks like someone at Google is SPECIFICALLY working
on this thread and associated issues, trying to do all they can to destroy it in yet another way.
And this particular behavior belongs to domain of hacking, DOS (Denial Of Service),
and is nothing more than an attack, just like they do all the time trying to completely obliterate
some site and make it completely unworkable. Pretty much the same thing.
After rebooting box, and waiting for long enough, it was possible to load this thread.
So, apparently Google has enough time and resources to do all sorts of destructive things,
but it can not find a couple of minutes of time of a competent professional to address the
very issue.
This thing could be resolved within minutes. OK, days.
And what we have is months.
Well, the article did get posted, but browser never returned.
It just got totally tied up, CPU at 100%, memory at 1 Gig.
Finally, perfectly good firefox browser and the latest version of it got crashed.
So, now Mozilla will be viewing this thread to find out the reason for crash.
The report with reference to this thread is sent to Mozilla, the firefox company.
This looks WAY beyond obscene now.
Not even that "evil" Microsoft has EVER exhibited THIS kind of behavior.
This thing is not only mortally sick, but it is becoming as dangerous, as a plague.
sounds like a crappy computer if you can't even load this thread. :(
I open it fine from several browsers, and from a PC and Mac - this monster has gone on long enough that I've had the time to open it on all my home and work setups.
Strangely enough, the same thread loads just fine and NOTHING has been done on THIS end of the wire. Not even browser restarted. Not even box rebooted.
So...
Apparently, Google IS involved in this thing, 100% certainty now.
Impressive, I tellya. And how long did it take them "to take care of this one"? Well, just a few hours since 1st publication of that information.
Good.
Making progress here, at least with some things. The next one of biggest players is going to be who do you think?
While doing posting, the problem is still the same, except it takes even longer before memory is released.
But page loading after post works fine.
We're going to get you a screen shot of that one also. Well, hopefully.
As to my box, about as clean as it gets. Everything is in tip top condition.
Not a problem with anything I know of.
No viruses of any kind.
Monitoring firewall, the best there is, written by imagine whom.
So, if anyone sneezes in my direction, I can see it with a single button push.
And every single anything, that even smells suspicious, automatically logged.
And we can even enable a custom alarm sound for any of your sneezes.
Zo...
Keep fabricating. Sounds like an old habit. Understood.
Let us verify the post issue again after clearing cache.
They are doing some major work on it. Stay away from that one for now.
But you STILL should have about 99.9999% chance of delivery on 24/7/365 basis.
And THAT is PRECISELY the reason for having mirrors.
Yet again.
I thought THIS much is clear enough by now.
You see, we are still up and running, so the next player, Microsoft, can verify ANY of it.
Simple, ain't it?
And trust me, THOSE guys know how to verify things and identify problem whatever it is.
Even to CONCEIVE such an idea as to swallow no one less than Microsoft...
Ugggghhh.
Do you even BEGIN to realize what level THAT one is?
Have you seen what happened to Sun Microsystems after they barked at Microsoft?
Well, out of business. Sold to Oracle for peanuts.
Java is dead. If players like Microsoft turn away from Java and totally disconnect
anything, even remotely related to Java, it is like a death sentence. Mind you.
Google wants to play a Tarkus number on Microsoft?
Yeeehaaaa!
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Since I am running YOUR javascript and YOU can decide what kind of Google Grand Crap
to serve to what account, you can do ALL sorts of miracles.
That is PRECISELY the reason I stay away from anything related to Google like from a plague.
They say: use Google analytics?
I say: why would anybody even conceive such an idea?
They say: well, because if you use analytics, Google is going to index your site better.
I say: how many times do I have to repeat it?
Google can just go to hell with all this sickness.
I just spent more than an hour doing spell checking.
Had to stop it every 500 milliseconds and manually scroll to skip all the syntax errors
from some of these "top contributors" here.
Unfortunately, they manage to make 10 syntax errors in a 5 word sentence.
And now we have this zombie, staying after hours at Google, trying to show me what HE can do with MY box.
Big deal. These are called exploits in security lands. Hackers and cybercriminals use it all the time.
Nothing new to it.
Which means? Which means that one bozo exploits the holes in logic of another bozo,
and thinks, by some strange magic, he becomes "more powerful" that that one.
If you are a pervert, that is what you do to look like "elite".
Nothing new to it.
Strange. This thread is still alive.
Not a SINGLE sentence, not a single statement by our great, omnipotents has a slightest resemblance
to the issues discussed, and this thread is how many months old?
I mean, weally, weally, weally.
Let us see what this bozo at Google is doing now.
Push that post button.
You have to see some of them in the coffee houses off of Castro street, Mountain View, California, USA.
Maaan.
They look ZO zignifikant, zo important, even Nick looks at them once in a while.
Google, after all, you see. They can even afford a cup o coffee with all those promises they get
from that fat cat that tells them: "You don't work at Google for money", while stashing away
his cool billion bux in a Swiss bank, just in case...
And for how long? Well, just out of curiosity, I went to my kitchen and had something to eat.
Surprise, surprise, after I came back after finishing my food, my box was just being released finally.
Impressive, I tellya.
I bet that one is smoking nothing less than Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix wrote a song about.
Well, that stuff can knock you out.
Listen, Your Eliteness, do not do too much drugs. That screws up the neural infrastructure.
Actual, when I had a contract with HP, doing some security related work for Royal Navy,
if you got screen, big enough, one manager showed me the pictures of the brain of those
dopes. It was quite a shocker. They had holes, about an inch in diameter all over their brain.
So...
Sounds like fun at Google, Da Elite, After Hours time!
And it was STILL eating my memory. Two Gigs is not enough?
Well, had to terminate that one.
Impressive, I tellya.
On your knees, mortals! Google is here to teach you zome "family values".
I bet the next one will be called:
"And we can kick da Willie's tootoo too!"
Or, in short form, too, too, too.
Oh, I see. I wonder what will be left of you know who,
especially considering what happened to Sun Microsystems when they got a similar idea.
Hope you know which Willie we are talking about.
In case you don't, it is Willie Da Gates.
Just don't ask WHICH Gates?. Cause those are Da Gates Of Hell.
After all, Willie is not exactly like that "goldmine dude". Dig?
This is what happens when you go to the fridge too often and mix with Google for too long.
You start copy/pasting the wrong things after a few months of dealing with it.
What was above: http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/769/eatmemory08.png is actually:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/769/eatmemory03.png
And AFTER the fridge picture is actually:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2797/eatmemory09.png
Otherwise, everything is nice and kosher.
Except I may get too fat, trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 4.
But what to do. Such is karma, dharma, marma.
At least with the last one, he did not eat my firefox and I did not have to slaughter that one.
You say da productivity at Google is going down the drain because all those "top level" developers
are spending way too much time reading all this jazz and rolling on the floor so bad, even those
poor cleaners can not clean it well enough for the next day?
What to do? If this is the most fun thing happening to Google since The Day One,
or, Da Revelation At Da Stanford Dorm,
then WHO are you going to blame for it? Autocrat, Da Witch, Dr. Mengele?
"Sorry, we have nothing to do with Google. It is not OUR problem, you see.
We are just having fun here. That is all. No money, no honey. Pure dedication to mankind!"
Scuze me. 9:28 GMT happens to be 23:28, Da Mountain View Time.
Question: is this honorable individual, reading the reference version of this thread,
from Google Mountain View World Headquarters is still working on this?
Why don't you go have some sleep? That's almost midnight, you know.
Oh, you mean no one at Google have read it for a couple of days?
So what?
It is the same story, any way you cut it.
Just call it a day. Go get some sleep. Reading this kind of stuff may spoil not only your
next working day, but may even make your coffee taste not so good tomorrow,
especially considering our Great Google removed all the coffee areas, trying to save a buck
or two on the coffee cups.
Or is it Da Board and urgent meeting of Directors? You mean THAT late in a day?
Meanwhile, we managed to take out about the biggest network of the most lethal rootkits,
serving the most lethal version, known to mankind. No destructive rootkit activity has been
detected during the last 24 hrs., thanks to you know who.
Good. Now we are talking.
Rootkits, especially those, that are capable of infecting your MBR and BIOS and disk controllers
are not nice, you see. Because they can not be detected by antivirus software. But Symantec claims they can.
And they are so destructive that even if you reformat your hard disk and do a fresh reinstall of the whole
works, it is still there like nothing happened to it.
About the only solution is to throw your box into a garbage can.
Any of you have an idea how many rootkit servers were there before we started this excersize?
And how many networks were infected?
Guess.
Cool. At least we are making some progress on THAT front.
See, my dear mankind, we are talking care of you, and in the most honorable ways.
Do we deserve a goog cup o coffee at Nick's?
Interesting results regarding this particular exploit.
It is an exploit that is specific to firefox browser.
With IE 8 it does not behave the same way as Firefox.
It does NOT eat almost 2 Gigs of memory, as their "latest and greatest"
version, as of this moment.
CPU IS being tied up, but for much shorter period of time.
You don't have to go to your fridge, waiting till you get your computer back.
No problem. We can use IE for this specific thread.
Sure, even on IE it isn't that pretty.
But, that one is much easier to deal with.
Otherwise, whatever Google was doing, seems to be optimized by now.
That is, from the standpoint of maximizing the damages.
If those cybercriminals knew about this exploit, they'd be pretty excited.
From what I see, it has to do with inherent inability of javascript
to deal with async issues. Long subject and too technical.
One other interesting thing is that this thread was read not via Google server,
but via reference version, and without referral from this thread on Google forums.
Which means? Well, ask "top contributors". They can...
Well, you would be surprised to know that what Google claims to be their "crown jewels",
is nothing more than an ace card, and even that one is fake.
What?
Well, what is backlinks, that are squarely the most significant thing in the Google game?
Nothing more than a number of links pointing to your page.
Simple as that.
In fact, and this is one of those best kept secrets, it is one of the most significant parameters,
defining how high is your "rank" with all the consequences of it.
The more links point to your page, the higher is your "rank", more or less.
Yes, there are almost half a million rules in the Google's box of tricks,
but this one is squarely their "crown jewel". This is the very card that made Google what it is today.
Beyond it, the rest of the stuff is pretty much nothing more than bluff, to various degrees.
It is a long subject, but the bottom line is this: "You want the top "rank", spam the hell out of net.
Basically, the most important thing as far as your "rank" goes,
is those backlinks.
So, what you do is this:
Post some garbage to all sorts of blogs or anything you can lay your hands on,
Just find some reason to mention your site or page and its URL.
That is all there is to it.
The more spam, the better.
You can pretty much forget about all the other jazz you hear from these "top contributors"
on Google webmasters forums. All those redirects, the alt text, keyword stuffing and the rest of it.
Concentrate primarily on making sure you have as many times your site is mentioned,
as you can manage.
To see if you spammed the right places and those links did in fact show up in your reputation,
just go to your webmaster pages and check the Links page to see which of those links showed up.
Not all of your spam may show up. Google has its own ways to define the "eliteness" of the links.
No problem. Just take those, that are showing up, and spam them more.
Do you need to be told how to do that?
Sure, it will take Google about three months to get to those links and add them up to your reputation,
but after those 3 months, you may get surpirsed in a major way, to see you rank and a number of pages indexed,
and not only indexed, but showing up in the Primary index, and not that garbage dump, they call "Supplementary index".
Obviously, there are other tricks and parameters used to separate the mankind into different categories of "eliteness",
like how mouch money Google can make on you, and that is a different story.
But under the same conditions, the more you spam the net, the better it is for your "rank".
For all those, that have just joined out program, here is where
you can read this thread with a table of contents of the most important issues.
Plus, you are guaranteed that you will have your own box,
and 2 Gigs of memory won't be eaten up by you know whom.
Plus, you can see all the important points with a single button click.
Wow! Look at that!
Google reading the reference versions of everything?
5 times in a row?
38. 16 October 19:21 Google, Mountain View, California, United States
39. 16 October 19:21 Google, Mountain View, California, United States
40. 16 October 19:21 Google, Mountain View, California, United States
41. 16 October 19:21 Google, Mountain View, California, United States
42. 16 October 19:21 Google, Mountain View, California, United States
(Time in GMT)
Impressive.
But why so fast?
Well, at least they are doing it during the day. That some progress.
Dear Google. Do not worry. Your latest and greatest version of that cybercrime thing
works just fine. Ties up the CPU, even on page read and eats about 2 Gigs.
Plus locks your box for as long as...
Well, anyway, this is not the latest and greatest version.
The latest and greatest version includes one lil advice on your
"crown jewel", which I call the Fake Ace Card.
That one was released AFTER you read the previous one.
But that is probably not such a big one. The previous version is good enough.
Something does not make much sense.
First of all, they are reading it "first thing in the morning".
Secondly, it is not a single person, reading it, but 5 people,
at least from what I can see.
Such an honor.
Actually, there is a very nice quote by Jose Delgado about this situation,
westifying befor the US Congress.
OK, so now, all interested individuals at Google have the latest version.
Good. Read it.
You can provide your honorable opinion of feedback right here if you wish.
Or, which could be even better to your health and wellbeing, via email.
Hope you can figure that one out.
In case you have difficulties with that one, here it is:
jdelgado at mail dot ru.
Have a nice everything.
And tell that guy that his javascript "latest and greatest"
does do something. But, apparently, Microsoft handles it gracefully enough.
Which means? Well, means it does not work ANY way you cut it.
About the only thing it archives is to get you deeper.
And deeper, and deeper, and deeper.
Good.
Now you got your script "working perfectly".
It eats the max amount of memory and Firefox is totally locked,
because it also eats all the CPU time.
What you get as a result is called "blank screen orgasm"
and ONLY if you read this thread while being logged in from one particular account.
Do I have to tell you wich one?
But to all others, the script works just fine upon page load.
So no one could experience the same orgasm, unfortunately.
Nice job.
I bet you could win a hackers contest with this kind of work.
Very creative I'd say.
Here is the screenshots, just to make sure we understand each other:
(Notice that thread name in a title bar)
It grabs max amount of memory, totally ties up your CPU,
so Firefox is not operable any longer.
Notice that PF usage number, nothing less than 2.35 GB!!!
Plus, firefox is totally inoperable. You can wait till your nose goes blue.
About the only option is to kill that process.
And here is how your screen looks like when you view this thread
from this particular account, if you ARE logged it.
Interesting, that to all others this script works perfectly.
No memory is consumed, and no CPU time.
So, in terms of evidence of any kind, you can just release those crocodiles on me,
and they will be telling me all day long it never
happended and I am just imagining all this, yet again.
This one is called: Blank screen orgasm.
Praise the lord, sinners!
That is what you see if you were me, being logged in as me.
But, hey, you can still see the thread name on a title bar.
What ELSE do you want, right?
Not sure how Microsoft would like this kind of behavior on their
latest and greatest IE 8. Because, apparently it has some pretty
heavy duty effects on that one also.
Reminder: All this jazz only happens when you view this thread
directly from Google webmaster forums, at least as it stands right now.
If you view the same thread via reference version from any of 10 sites,
shown above, everything works fine. Page load is fast, no memory is consumed
and no CPU time tied up beyond normal amount.
The issue with Firefox hang and > 2 Gigs of memory consumed
relates to XStringBundle script, line 17.
The "latest and greatest" version does not cause memory to be
consumed in gigabyte magnitudes. But Firefox simply hangs and page load never completes
(under firefox, but it does complete under IE 8).
So, under firefox, the page partially loads.
But you never see the full page.
If you try to exit from firefox, all the windows are gone,
but the firefox process never terminates. You have to kill it from task manager.
Interesting.
If you disable javascript in your firefox browser, what you get is what
is called a "blank screen orgasm". The page does not load at all.
Firefox hangs. Even if you try to exit firefox, the process is still
there and CPU is tied up 100%.
This is what is Google calls "If you do not enable firefox
(so WE can control your box, not you), then you may not get full functionality
of this product".
Not sure what they mean by "full functionality" though.
So, Google is reading the reference version of this thred at 5 a.m. on Saturday.
All of what has been made available.
Good.
Stay tuned. More exciting things are forthcoming.
Interestingly enough, Google is reading all the latest versions of this thread
on the reference sites, and not only on Google webmaster forums.
Several times a day? Well, sure, you always need the "latest and greatest" version.
Otherwise, who knows, you might miss something...
"Google Webmaster Help Bionic Posters are forum members who stand out
as exceptionally active, helpful and friendly."
How's THAT fer breakfast?
Would you like to see some of their quotes?
Well, not a problem at all. Just scroll this page up till you see 10 sites, one per line.
Click on any of those, and boom, you get the latest and greatest version of this thread,
and their quotes available upon a single mouse click.
As an additional benefit, you get more clarification on "how to...".
And more comments added, that may shed some light on some things...
Quote:
"They volunteer time and energy to help build a great community
and to help webmasters all around the world.
We created this designation to recognize their outstanding efforts
and to encourage other members to follow their lead and help foster
the forum's community spirit."
Yep, those efforts are truly outstanding. No questions about that one indeed.
Here is an interesting feature of webmasters help forums.
It is called "track'em down".
What it is, is a way to watch some poster.
Every poster has a poster ID. Once you know that id,
you can get all of his great writings by simply plugging it into a url.
Another way of doing it is to perform a search:
"username - webmasters central help"
where you replace user name with someone you like to track.
Then, click on a link that says:
username - webmasters central help (without quotes)
and boom, you got that feller and all his jazz too.
Bookmark it, and you are in business of tracking him down,
no matter what he says and where.
Pure elegance, isn't it?
Why would anyone need THIS kind of "feature"?
Beats me. Ask Google. See what they tell you.
All the reference sites are updated with the "latest and greatest" version of this thread.
More comments, more explanations on the "tricks of the trade",
particularly that "garbage" thing...
For all those, that just joined this programme, here is the list of reference sites:
OK, so what I am seeing is the CORRECT numbers for the 2nd time in a row,
within interval of almost 24 hrs. That is not enough of a sample to make definitive conclusions,
but good enough of a start.
Good.
See how easy it is?
Just fix it. No need to upset people like me unnecessarily.
It is WAY too expensive.
Here is what I see, and I do not object these numbers.
I do not necessarily like SOME of them, but fine. That is another topic.
Oct 18 2009 21:21
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Results 1 - 10 of about 50,600 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.34 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 22,800 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru. (0.18 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 28,900 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.33 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,800 from cppgoldmine.by.ru. (0.18 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,500 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.19 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 57,800 from tarkus01.by.ru. (0.14 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,250 from jsgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.21 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,430 from pythongoldmine.vndv.com. (0.14 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,090 from pgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.15 seconds)
The requested resource
http://redo.me.uk/blocked
is no longer available on this server and there is no forwarding address. Please remove all references to this resource.
When KinderStart sued Google recently for the "cataclysmic fall" in its rank on the
search engine results pages (SERPs), I got the sense that a lot of websites rather wished
they could do the same thing.
It’s no secret that many online businesses live and die by their SERPs rankings,
and that Google is the most widely-used search engine on the planet.
Because of the effect this could have on the entire search engine field,
the facts surrounding the lawsuit deserve a closer look.
Indeed, if you look at the raw facts of the situation as presented from KinderStart’s
point of view, what you see is the secret nightmare of every online business.
The site is aimed at parents of children who are less than seven years of age.
It launched in May 2000, and managed to build up its traffic to a quite respectable
10 million page views a month. Most of these views were coming from Google search users.
Then in March 2005, disaster struck. Page views dropped by 70 percent;
advertising revenues fell even more precipitously, by 80 percent,
and still haven’t recovered.
In other words, KinderStart went from receiving 10 million hits a month to
just three million.
And Google will not explain to the company what happened.
No problem. The Firefox will just get the latest and greatest version of this thread
with a crash report.
Let them read it, find that XStringBundle script, line 17 error for starters.
Call Google. And try to see what kind of Google magic does that.
Because the script is not available DIRECTLY on this thread.
And how would Microsoft fit this grand scheme, you might say?
Well, QUITE graciously.
That is, if you read this thread with the latest and greatest version of Firefox browser,
your computer may experience not exactly the best of what it ever did.
But...
The Microsoft IE8 still holds, and pretty honorably, considering the inherent problems
with async handling issues.
Everybody goes down?
But not Microsoft.
Still there, buddy.
Yes, even Willy Da Gates has some difficulties with this,
and you are forced to do things you do not normally do when you read or reply to some article.
But...
There are some limits to what you can do in a hopeless situation like this.
So, Google wants to swallow nothing less the Microsoft?
Wooo.
That bites.
Won't it get stuck in your throat like a bone, Dr. Google?
Oh, you got your "latest and greatest" revelation, the mankind has ever experienced,
called Google Chrome?
Well, sorry to tell you, but Microsoft has this kind of stuff as long as it exists.
They can make something even more exciting than this gadget of yours, even without wasting a penny
on new development. Right out of the box.
From their existing libraries, classes and you name it.
Why would ANYONE in his clear mind use ANYTHING, even remotely hinting at Google?
Sorry, beats me. Hands down
Sorry, beats me. Hands down
Well, read the latest and greatest version of you know what.
Some of it, just a couple of minor details is already there.
And that is if you have your neural infrastructure functioning well enough.
"Google Webmaster Help Bionic Posters are forum members who stand out
as exceptionally active, helpful and friendly."
How's THAT fer breakfast?
Would you like to see some of their quotes?
Well, not a problem at all. Just scroll this page up
till you see 10 sites, one per line. Click on any of those, and boom,
you get the latest and greatest version of this thread,
and their quotes available upon a single mouse click.
Quote:
"They volunteer time and energy to help build a great community
and to help webmasters all around the world.
We created this designation to recognize their outstanding efforts
and to encourage other members to follow their lead and help foster
the forum's community spirit."
=== Quote end ===
Which means what?
Well, seem they ARE in fact authorised by Google to do what they do here,
whether they do have a written contract with Google or not.
Because that seems like an EXPLICIT authorization to me at least.
And, by extension, all the defamation, slander and the most blatant form of outright harassments
ARE in fact transferrable to Google, aren't they?
And what kind of damages these kinds of most outrageous orgies could possibly have
on ANY human being, including psychological, reputation and ALL sorts of things,
arising as a result.
Dear legal councel general at Google, do you happen to have a comment on this?
Could you clarify position of Google in legal terms?
My poor Firefox is having a hard time loading this thread.
Most of the time it simply crashes. Eats about 2 Gigs of memory.
Takes away my own computer, as it becomes unusable.
Is it some kind of "evil" Firefox version I got?
I thought it is the "latest and greatest".
Interestingly enough, even honorable Microsoft IE 8 has a hard time dealing with it,
even though it behaves much more graciously.
But how many users in the world do not even have a chance to read this thread,
because Firefox happens to be the most popular web browser, by far?
Within 2 minutes from the publication of the latest post regarding the latest updates
of reference sites, there were these page views from Google:
46. 19 October 12:57 Google, Seattle, Washington, United States
47. 19 October 12:57 Google, Seattle, Washington, United States
48. 19 October 12:57 Google, Seattle, Washington, United States
49. 19 October 12:57 Google, Seattle, Washington, United States
50. 19 October 12:57 Google, Seattle, Washington, United States
If I am not mistaken, that is 4:57 a.m. in Seattle?
Am I missing something?
I just don't get it, you see.
EVERHING is "normal", at least according to those "top contributors"
and even Google employee JohnMu.
And we have Google reading these things at 5 a.m.?
Sorry, I just don't get the joke. What seems to be the problem here?
Such a nice and "user friendly, highly helpful" environment here,
and, for some strange reason, Google is reading some "insane rumblings"?
I am "proud" to report that no "latest and greatest" and most destructive rootkit activity
has been detected during the last 48 hrs., and that is unheard of, as security pros
would appreciate to hear.
It is when your memory is eaten up to the point your computer is not yours any more.
Notice the "Commit Charge (K)" is showing 2.4 GIGS of your memory
being consumed while trying to read this thread from Google webmaster forums directly.
Also, notice the CPU time is at 100%.
That means your own computer is not yours any longer. It is not usable.
Furthermore, it is all locked up, and you can not even exit from the Firefox.
Even after killing the firefox process via task manager,
it will take you minutes before your system gets to any usable state.
WHO in his clear mind would be even attempting to come close to this thread?
Now, how many people, using the most popular browser, called Firefox,
are not able to read this thread?
Dear Dr. Google, what is the idea here?
Would be REALLY nice to hear what you might call this.
Mind you, this does not happen if you read any other thread on the same webmaster forums.
Obviously, there is no way to post anything to this thread, at least from the Firefox.
Amazingly enough, Microsoft IE 8 still holds under these horrible conditions,
even though it is having about the hardest time to keep up with it.
But you can still read this thread and even post to it, even though it is a major feat.
And again, you can read this exact thread,
and even with all the comments and additions via reference sites,
and it all works just fine, just like any other page. Mind you.
All the reference sites for this thread are updated.
Scroll up to find a list of 10 sites. Select any one of those,
and you will be able to see the REAL story of it all.
Well, what I am seeing for the 3rd time in a row,
and that is within the last 48 hrs., are these numbers.
And most of these numbers are correct.
Some of them I do not agree with, but that is a different matter.
Sure, it is not enough to have a high degree of certainty,
plus there are other new factors I see in behavior of SERPS,
which look quite strange to me.
Anyway, here are these numbers:
Oct 19 2009 16:38
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Results 1 - 10 of about 50,700 from mfcgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.07 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 22,800 from mfcgoldmine.by.ru. (0.19 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 28,900 from cppgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.18 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 15,800 from cppgoldmine.by.ru. (0.03 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,500 from javagoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.21 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 57,800 from tarkus01.by.ru. (0.03 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,250 from jsgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.05 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,430 from pythongoldmine.vndv.com. (0.05 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,090 from pgoldmine.uuuq.com. (0.05 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,290 from antimatrix.vndv.com. (0.04 seconds)
Chapter "We are here to change the world" from The Book Of Google
has been updated on all sites with some mind shattering information.
That is if you have anything left to be shattered.
Scroll up until you see a list of 10 sites, where it can be viewed.
Interestingly enough, Google is reading this thread yet again, and by now, we are talking
about Google reading it from all over the world.
The reference version of this thread with the latest updates is on line now.
Scroll up to see the list of 10 sites where you can read it from
without any problems if you are using the Firefox browser.
I recommend Google developers listen to some music, such as Taruna World Fusion.
That helps to comprehend the structural aspects of programming and spacial interrelationships.
In other words, the architectural aspect of it all.
Actually, the Kabala is one of the most ancient systems of knowledge.
Except it has been perverted in the most unprecedented ways.
But, it is one of the reference systems.
An attempt to comprehend and represent life as such.
Another system, known to mankind, is Raja Yoga by Patanjali of India.
Kabala is largely based on the work of Pythagoras
and his "sacred proprortions" concept, about the most oustanding
and insightful world view, you can find any place.
He is one of the oracles of the entire African continent.
Just like Zakir Hussein of India,
Ivo Papasov of Bulgaria,
The Jajouka of Morocco,
the Bulgarian most outstanding music,
and a handful of other brightest stars.
The sense of rhythm is not only impeccable.
It is out of this world, literally.
And that is what programming structures are.
The pale, in comparison, equivalent is the western world logic system,
that is at the core of the western "civilization", primitive as it gets.
And yet, Google pumps its chest, like they have nothing less than revelation.
Simply sick stuff by comparison.
Mortally sick.
And its time has come.
Because it is a dead end.
And so The Diamond Sword is raised. And when it is raised, there exists no force on the face of this planet, Earth, that can possibly stand on its way.
Read the very first thread, deleted by you know who, of several months old. It will tell you what is going to happen here. And the fate of Google as such.
And who stands behind me, is the Greatest Masters that have EVER walked the face of the planet Earth. And I can draw upon ANY one of them, just as the most minute manifestation requires.
Sure. What else is left?
Where ELSE this thread could POSSIBLY go with the attitude of total denial,
total disregard of issues and utter ignoring of the facts of the matter?
Meanwhile, the issues with the most severe consequences remain unresolved.
They are not only not explained and even unexplainable,
but not even a word of clarification or opinion from Google is pronounced.
Basically, all the issues of significance are simply ignored.
At best, you simply get insulted, harassed and even slandered, need be.
Your articles and even threads, ALL of them, will be simply removed,
so there is no trace of it left on record and no evidence of these ugly,
and simply disgusting orgies remain.
Dear Google Grand Censorship and Oppression department,
this is not how that thread has ended. You simply removed the response
to these bizarre rationalizations, while leaving the insults intact, as a final dot.
And that fact alone indicates about the most profound degree of dishonesty
on your part, and your utterly perverted nature of a suppressed sadist.
Hope this is clear enough for the intellectual giants of your kind, dear JohnMu,
who does not seem to even be able to understand the original issue of this thread.
What else is new under the Sun?
And THAT is the REALITY of all this puppet theatre,
called Google webmaster forums.
Finally, one of these "top contributors", RedCardinal, one of those
sick perverts, engaging in insults here, on Google webmaster forums,
puts a stamp of approval, calling the final post by Google employee, JohnMu,
who simply closed this thread, the "Best Answer", and THAT is what will be left
of the whole set of issues, brought on this tread, on record.
I was wandering myself, what would be the most likely outcome.
It was clear as a bell, Google just could care less about the whole set of most
profound consequences, arising as a result of issues raised here.
And, by now, it was clear they are not going to move a finger on this.
The whole thing was nothing more than an excersize in futility,
and just another example of those sadistic orgies, so typical of these forums.
And here is his initial "contribution" on this thread:
"What a terrible waste of disk space"
PURE elegance, isn't it?
Right on topic here!
What a great contribution to you know what, by now!
And THAT is the kind of "contribution" these sickos,
called "top contibutors" provide here. The ugly insults,
and in the utmost perverted form, saying that this entire thread,
and all the issues, brought up, is nothing more than a waste of disk space.
Would be interesting to see his "reasoning".
But those kinds of things is about the last thing to expect around here.
And the other criminally minded pervert, Phil Payne, also "Top Contributor",
just to add more insult to injury, says:
"And bandwidth"
What a beauty, and in the most perverted form!
Great contribution to mankind.
RedCardinal's discussions
SEO, Conversion Rate Optimisation
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About RedCardinal
My old bio was a little short, so I've now extended it somewhat
to include this sentence about extending it.
Meh...
Update: Dear Google, if you screw with my avatar again this time
I'm going to stop loving you...
Update2: Seriously... beyond a bloody joke
Update3: Who ever wrote the code behind avatars is now a mortal enemy
Update4: Screw you very much Google Profiles
Update5: 2 times today my avatar disappears, Google muppetry truly excels
And these are the kinds of things, Google classifies as?
"Google Webmaster Help Bionic Posters are forum members who stand out
as exceptionally active, helpful and friendly."
Google webmaster forums are not there to provide some answers,
vast majority of which is problems on Google's end.
Because its search engine is based on fundamentally wrong assumptions,
that resulted in creation of the entire "industry" of snake oil salesmen,
calling themselves SEO, selling you recipes of how to cheat Google search engine.
Simple as that.
Information is simply information.
It needs to be evaluated on the basis of information itself,
and not some obscene concept of backlinks, or other secondary and totally irelevant factors.
The very purpose of these forums is to find something "wrong" with your site,
so Google can conviniently hang its hat on it.
If you do NOT recognize yourself as being guilty of something, you might have not even done,
and squick too much, you will simply be harassed, insulted, ridiculed and laughed at,
and, at the end of that sadistic orgy, the whole thread and associated evidence will be simply removed.
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