... existence. The law of gravitation they have discovered, because it is an objective phenomenon, but they know nothing about the law of levitation. The moment you are disconnected with the body, your body is under the law of gravitation being pulled down, and your being under the totally contradictory law of levitation - it is being pulled upwards. It becomes a tug-of-war. Hence most people die after...

... all the politicians of the past - or they are going to die and disappear by the other alternative, that is AIDS. And that is the ultimate conclusion of all your religions. Politics has brought nuclear weapons, religions have brought AIDS. There is a possibility that nuclear weapons may not be used, because all politicians are trembling; because the war is not going to decide who is the winner and...

... who is the loser. The nuclear war will be total war; the victorious and defeated both will die. Not only man, but life as such on earth will disappear. There will not be trees anymore, nor roses anymore, nor birds singing in the morning, nor animals. Anything that has life will be destroyed. It is pointless. I am happy that they have come to nuclear weapons. That way, war has committed suicide. It...

... is impossible for politicians to go for a nuclear war; it is meaningless. One goes into war to be victorious, to come back with glory. But in this war there will be nobody left behind even to write the history as to who was the winner, America or the Soviet Union. This war will be the end, the end of all that man has created for centuries - the poetry, the painting, the music, the dance. All that...

... millions of people have created for thousands of years to make this earth beautiful will be simply erased. Nuclear weapons - just because of their total danger, their total death - are out of the question. They cannot be used. I challenge the politicians to use them, start the third world war. They cannot do that. But AIDS is a different matter. Politicians can see the danger. But the viruses that spread...

... for all the communes around the world. I can help you to save yourself from AIDS. And I am not worried any more about nuclear weapons and the third world war. I was worried in the beginning because there was a possibility four years ago that either America or Russia could have won - at a very great cost. Most of humanity would have gone. But four years ago there was a possibility of somebody...

... Holy Ghost. Dying one time is enough. Seven hundred times seems to be just stupidity. Whom are you going to kill? Who is going to kill seven hundred times? So now a third world war is out of the question. Forget about it, it is not going to happen. Now the only problem that is facing us is AIDS. And from that we can manage to save at least our people. So spread the message to all the sannyasins who...

... challenge and the greatest danger that man has ever encountered. We have as many nuclear weapons as can destroy this earth seventy times. And still we are living as if nothing is a problem, everything is going on as usual. And the politicians are accumulating more and more nuclear weapons. The only way to prevent them is to create a public opinion around the world that we do not want war, that there is no...

... cause which can justify the destruction of the whole of life. Neither can communism nor capitalism nor any other ism - no cause can justify the destruction of the whole of humanity, because then what is the point? If all are dead, nobody is victorious and nobody is defeated. The third world war will be the most stupid world war, because the war is fought with the idea to be victorious: somebody will...

... be victorious, somebody will be defeated. It is understandable. But in the third world war nobody is going to be victorious, nobody is going to be defeated - all are going to be dead. Now only idiots can be ready to go for such a thing. And so much energy which could be diverted towards creative ends, which could destroy world poverty, sickness, old age, could give man a longer life, a healthier...

... life... The same energy which becomes death to all can become a tremendous release of life to everybody. The energy is so much available, and energy is always neutral: you can destroy with it; you can create with it. All that is needed is that all people of intelligence, all people of understanding, all people who have any love for life should create a worldwide opinion that the war is not possible...

... theist or atheist, Hindu or Buddhist, Christian or Mohammedan, Jew or Jaina, it makes no difference. Just a simple process of going inwards, realizing oneself. So two things have to happen simultaneously. One, a world opinion against war, and second, a great movement for meditation so each individual becomes more integrated, more intense, more loving, less violent, less angry. In that way he will not...

... support the war, he will be against the war. And perhaps each individual has even to be made aware of the world opinion that the war is going to happen. So it is not only a question of saving the world. The few years that you have got, you have to realize yourself before they destroy all humanity and all life on this planet. This is a double-front attack against destruction and the drowning of humanity...

... so that there should be no war, because war has lost its point. It makes no sense anymore. And secondly, that this kind of humanity is not worth saving, we have to change man. We have to save man just to change him. So simultaneously, everybody who is interested in this beautiful planet, in this vast universe... this is the only small planet, this very small planet which is full of life. Not only...

... causes of poverty, sickness, war, destruction and misuse of technology, science and the energy that man produces. We need one world. If we want to be rich, we need only one world. No political lines on the earth. Then it will be very easy to see. There was a time in Soviet Russia they were using wheat instead of coal in their railway lines, in their engines; because they had a bumper crop of wheat and...

... are holding the markets, don't want the prices to come down. And why they should bother about Ethiopia? Ethiopia or no Ethiopia -- it makes no sense to Europe. It is good if it is finished: one problem is solved. We need one world. Just the idea of one world means tremendous energy involved in preparation for war -- nuclear weapons, atomic energy, millions of the best minds humanity has ever...

... should agree on the point that we want to create one world. Then all these small nations, poor nations, can be given the alternative to choose... Either a third world war or one world. (Tape side C) And in the third world war only America and Russia are going to lose -- nobody else. Because nobody else has got anything to lose. Even if the third world war does not happen, most of the countries will die...

... that by two thousand -- by the end of this century -- India will not have only one billion population, it would have doubled its population as it is now... that is nine hundred million it is now.... It would have doubled: that means, eighteen hundred million. One billion and eighteen hundred million.These people are going to die by themselves -- without any war. In fact, war will be a great release...

... of their tension, of their worry, of constant death ahead. The only countries one third of the world -- the third world -- will die of poverty, starvation, sickness.... The remaining world -- which is not poor, but which has not the clear powers compared to Russia or America, will die of AIDS; which is even uglier than dying with a starvation. So this world is finished. Only in the third world war...

... America and Russia are going to lose. They are going to destroy themselves. The remaining world is going to commit suicide on its own -- they don't need your help. So I will suggest to these people that just be clear about the situation. You are going to lose, if there is a war. Only you will be the losers, and you both will be destroyed in it. You can propose to the world that we have decided to be...

... together. Rather than to die together; we have decided to live together -- and create one world. And nobody can prevent Soviet Union and Russia from creating one world. They can remove all the lines from the map very easily -- there is no problem at all. And once they decide that they are not going to fight, then their tremendous energy -- which is involved into war efforts -- will be available for them...

... world and the war and I want to go to the forest" -- Mahavira would have immediately initiated him into renunciation. He would have said, "That's what you should have done. It is already late; but, still, good. War is violence, and it is good that an insight is born in you -- renounce the world and go to the forest." But Krishna persuaded him not to go to the forest: "Fight the war...

.... You are not against war!" And he was not -- Krishna was right, his insight was deep -- he was not against war. He was really against killing his own people. The war was a family war between brothers, and on both the sides were relatives. Because the fight was between cousin-brothers, all the relatives had to divide -- a few had gone to this side, a few to that side. One brother was on this side...

..., another brother was on that side. Even Krishna himself had divided; his army was fighting on the other side and he himself was fighting with Arjuna, because both were his friends and both had asked his help. So he had said, "You can choose: one can take my army and one can take me." Arjuna's own teacher from whom he had learnt all that he knew about war, who had made him a perfect warrior...

..., Drona, he was on the other side -- his own master, from whom he had learnt archery, he was fighting on the other side. It was really a family war. And Arjuna was not against war: he was against killing one's own people. Seeing the whole war-field full of his own people -- a few on this side, a few on that side -- and both would be killed and many would be killed -- he started thinking, "What is...

... the point of it all? Killing my own family! It is better I should renounce." He was not against violence. If his own people had not been involved, he would have enjoyed the war like anything. Krishna persuaded him to see the fact that he was rationalizing; all this nonsense talk about non-violence, no war, peace, renunciation, was just a rationalization. He forced him to see the trick of his...

... conflict. And unless Lao Tzu is understood well, and humanity starts feeling for Lao Tzu, humanity cannot live in peace. If you are taught to be strong you are bound to fight, wars will continue. All political leaders in the world go on saying that they love peace - and they all prepare for war. They say they stand for peace - and they all go on accumulating armaments. They talk about peace - and they...

... prepare for war. And they all say they have to prepare for war because they are afraid of the other; and the other says the same thing. The whole thing looks so foolish and stupid. China is afraid of India, India is afraid of China. Why can't you see the point! Russia is afraid of America, America is afraid of Russia. They both talk about peace and they both go on preparing for war. And of course, that...

... which you prepare for happens. Your talk about peace looks just rubbish. Your talk about peace is nothing but cold war. In fact politicians need time to prepare: in that time they talk about peace so that they can have enough time to prepare. Humanity for centuries has lived in only two periods: the war, the period of war, and the period of preparation for war - these are the only two periods; the...

... whole history seems to be just neurotic. But this is going to be so because strength is praised, ego praised. If two persons are fighting on the road, one is stronger, another is weak, the weaker has fallen and the stronger is sitting on his chest, whom do you appreciate? You appreciate the one who has become a conqueror? Then you are violent. Then you are for war. Then you are a war-monger. Then you...

... have heard the town has been in trouble. The king has forced all young men and strong men into the army. They went to the hunchback and they asked him. The hunchback said: I am happy! Because of my back they didn't force me. I am useless. That's how I am saved. They reported back. Lao Tzu said to them: Now remember. Be useless. Otherwise you will become fodder in the war. Once passing through a...

... atomic theory for Adolf Hitler, but reluctantly, because he was a Jew, and Adolf Hitler was killing Jews in such vast numbers that it seemed unbelievable. A single man killed six million Jews inside Germany. During the second world war Adolf Hitler was responsible for killing maybe fifty million people. Seeing the situation - of course Albert Einstein was not going to be killed, he was too valuable...

... - he escaped from Germany. He did not want to make the atom bomb for Adolf Hitler. It was a simple human reaction - so many of his people, his friends, had been killed. He wrote a letter to President Roosevelt of America: "I can come to America and I can create the atom bomb. I have the whole secret with me. And whosoever has the atom bomb is going to be the victor in the second world war."...

... powerful man in the whole world, and my nation has come to the top." This has been happening again and again. Before the second world war, nobody was ready to believe that such destructive weapons had ever existed. In the old scriptures of India, the story of the Mahabharata, the great Indian war of five thousand years ago, is just mythological. It was inconceivable that such powerful weapons were...

... available five thousand years ago. But since the second world war it is now absolutely clear from the description in the Mahabharata, that they had discovered something close to atomic energy. They destroyed a great civilization, but the destruction came from within their own civilization. Again we are moving towards the same situation. The destruction is not coming from some other planet, we are...

... preparing our own graves. We may be aware, we may not be aware - we are all grave diggers, and we are all digging our own graves. Right now there are only five nations who are in possession of nuclear weapons. And nuclear weapons are millions of times more powerful than the second world war atom bombs. Now scientists say that compared to modern nuclear weapons, the second world war atom bombs seem to be...

... that we know as civilization; all our great ports, great cities, all will be under water. Anybody researching later on would find it to be a natural calamity - it is not. It is our own stupidity. We can learn much, seeing what is happening, and then we can think introspectively about other civilizations which have disappeared, either through war or through calamities which apparently look natural...

.... But even if we give twenty-five years to you, what are you going to do to help human consciousness rise in such a way that we can prevent the global suicide that is going to happen? It is coming from many directions. Nuclear weapons are one direction which is almost completely ready. Any moment... and it is going to be a push-button war. It is not a problem of sending armies and airplanes. Just the...

... for any war, just by accident.... That is only one direction from which we are about to destroy ourselves. The second is creating the holes - because those experiments continue. Now the moon is not the target, nor has Mars become the target. And there is nobody to protest against all these experiments - because they are not going to help human happiness or human life in any way. Why waste energy...

...? And why create unnecessarily destructive situations? All those gases that are rising in the air and creating acid rain.... From another dimension, the disease AIDS is spreading so fast that there is every possibility it will destroy almost two-thirds of humanity without any war. And if the oceans are filled with all the ice that the Himalayas hold, and that of the south and north poles and the Alps...

... mind. In communist countries they have been using deprogramming for almost half a century. In the Korean war, American soldiers who were caught by the communists were all deprogrammed. They returned - the war ended - but they could not fit again into their society. And you will be surprised to know that within ten years after the war, thousands of veterans - soldiers who had come from Korea - had...

... so ugly. And he was the cause of the greatest war in India, the great Indian war, Mahabharata. He forced Arjuna, his friend and disciple, to fight the war - and it was almost at a similar time as we are living in today, the same critical moment; the war was going to be very dangerous because the whole world was divided in two parts, and both the parts were ready to fight and destroy each other...

... - the ugliest argument that religions use - he said to him that, "It is God's will, and if you go against it you are going against God. Don't play God. If God wants the war, let it happen!" Bringing God into the argument is always cunning. It means you don't allow the other person any chance. He would have to say, "I don't believe in your God"... but he is also conditioned like you...

... in God. If it is God's will, then Arjuna unwillingly fought the war. And what he envisaged happened - millions of people died, and then for years disease spread all over the country and it broke down the very spine of the land. India never could become again the same beautiful country with the same joy, the same forest universities of the seers, the same synthetic vision of body, mind and soul, of...

... than democracy, better than communism: a state of meritocracy. We have so many universities; these universities can supply us with all our needs, all the people we need. Albert Einstein died in great despair because he created the atom bomb, but he could not prevent its use - and it was used absolutely unnecessarily. The war was going to finish anyway - at the most in two more weeks - but President...

... Truman was in a hurry. He was afraid that if the war ended, then how was he going to experiment with the atom bombs? So before the war ended the atom bombs had to be dropped. They killed more than two hundred thousand people, destroyed two beautiful living cities... into graveyards. Immense suffering... Perhaps never before was such suffering seen, and the man who created it was helpless. All the...

... scientists of the world are simply serving the war machine. They should serve humanity; they should serve life - not war, not death. We have to go through an absolutely radical change. There are many countries which are socialist because the name gives a certain respectability - that they are not capitalist for one thing, that they are not communist for another - they are socialist. I also am in favor of...

... committing a criminal act and should be behind bars - in every nation. The poor people need not be poor if we decide only one thing: that we are not going to have a third world war. Seventy-five percent of our finances and energies are going into a third world war, which is absolutely absurd because it will destroy everybody. Nobody is going to be a winner, nobody is going to be defeated. It is suicidal...

...; it is not war. It has lost all meaning because you cannot win, you cannot defeat. A simple understanding that all this energy that you are wasting on nuclear weapons should move to poor countries... Just a few days ago I saw that in the European Common Market they have so much surplus food that the problem is how to destroy it. Just the cost of destroying it is two billion dollars. It is not the...

... completely, and just three steps can do it. One is absolute birth control for thirty years. The second is, because there is no possibility of a third world war - that would be absolutely ridiculous - stop preparing for it and divert the money to the poor people. And the third is that every country should make a law for euthanasia. Just as birth control is needed on one end - we stop new people coming in...

.... I may even choose to remain there forever. Question 13: DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN? DO YOU WANT CHILDREN? I don't have children, but I love children. And I want it to be known that it is good to love children, but it is not good to have children. Question 14: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A NUCLEAR WAR SOON? No. There is no possibility of any nuclear war soon - or later. The nuclear weapons...

... themselves have stopped the possibility. The war is going to be so total, it has lost its meaning. Question 15: DO YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY? No. I don't support the death penalty for the simple reason that if somebody murders a man and you kill that man as a penalty... He has committed a crime, and now the society is committing the same crime as a penalty. By your penalty the man who has been murdered...

... BELIEVING IN SUCH THINGS AS THE FIVE THOUSAND YEAR CYCLE OF MANKIND WHICH WILL END IN ABOUT 1987 IN A BIG ATOMIC WAR AND NATURAL CATASTROPHES TO START A NEW GOLDEN AGE. WHAT CAN I DO? Prem Hari, YOU NEED NOT do anything. Let her have her own way. You can see the nonsense that she is falling into, but that is her freedom, and one learns only by experience. If you try to pull her out she will not be able to...

... changed many times in thirty years, and it will change again. But fools are fools. '87 is not far away, only seven years. And you will see that in '87 it will become something else - '97 or 2000 will be exact, the right time. It goes on, it goes on changing. And people are so foolish, they go on believing. The world is not going to end in any atomic war for the simple reason... not that humanity has...

... become non-violent, not that it has heard the message of Buddha and Mahavira and has dropped all violence, no. It has come to a point where total war is possible. Strange it is, what Buddha and Mahavira could not do Albert Einstein has been able to do. The discovery of atomic energy on one hand has been one of the most dangerous discoveries because two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, were destroyed...

... within minutes. One hundred thousand people in Hiroshima were reduced to nothingness within three minutes. But on the other hand, the discovery of atomic energy is going to change the whole future of humanity because it has made it possible to go into a total war. All the wars in the past - and they have been many... In three thousand years we have fought five thousand wars. But they were partial wars...

.... Even the First World War and the Second World War should not be called World Wars because the whole world was not really involved. A major part was involved but not the whole. The Third World War will be the first and the last World War, first and last both because it will be total destruction. Nobody can win it - that is one of the greatest blessings - that nobody can win it, neither Russia nor...

... the first attempt. There is no need to kill a person seven hundred times. But politicians are very calculative: in case some body survives they have made it in such a way that there is no possibility to survive. Not only men but trees and birds and insects, and all the amoebas you are suffering from. All will be destroyed. In fact before the Third World War you cannot be free of amoebas! Amoebas are...

.... And the world is not going to end, because everybody is aware that now war has become meaningless. The whole meaning of war is in getting victorious. Now nobody can be the victor. The days of war are over, the days of love are coming. And this world is not going to end, but certainly it is going to go through a tremendous change, a radical transformation. I am preparing you for that radical...

... sacrificed. This is so stupid. Q:* PEOPLE ARE GETTING VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE POLITICAL SITUATION WITH ATOMIC THREATS, NUCLEAR WAR THREATS, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND POLLUTION, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME SACRIFICE FROM FATHER TO SON THAT WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT. A:* I understand. It is just superficially different. Basically it is the same. The question of nuclear weapons should not be thought as a...

... future problem, it is in the present moment. So I'm not saying that you have to think about future. It is a living reality. We are living surrounded by nuclear weapons. So do whatsoever you want to do right now. But your pacifists are thinking about the future -- that there should not be a third world war, that nuclear weapons should not be created. Stupid. Again, you are destroying the present moment...

.... And the people who are creating nuclear weapons, their logic is not different from yours: they are also preparing for the future, for the future of their people, for the future of their nation. They don't want to be weak, they want to be stronger, they want to remain in a position so that nobody can invade them. The war mongers are thinking of future, and the pacifists are thinking of the future...

.... I'm neither a pacifist nor a supporter of war. I'm saying, let these idiots fight with each other and humanity should live this moment as joyously as possible. If we can manage to live in this moment peacefully, joyously, the third world war is not going to happen. We have not done anything about third world war. If people are happy, if people are enjoying, nobody can drag them into a war. War is...

... enjoying toy guns, and.... Q:* ALL RIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT TAKES SUFFERING SEXUAL REPRESSION, MAYBE POVERTY AND SO FORTH, TO MAKE PEOPLE GO TO WAR, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY MANY PEOPLE TO START A WAR BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED. PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING DONE NOW. THAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT EVERYBODY JUST ENJOY (?) THEMSELVES... A...

... people you can send to war. Just it has to be proved that people are now fed up with politicians and their continuous hunger for war. Adolf Hitler, in his autobiography, has something valuable. He says if you want to become a great hero in history, then war is absolutely necessary because only in wartime heroes are born. That is true. In peacetime there are no heroes. If Ronald Reagan wants to become a...

... world hero, then a war is necessary; otherwise, he will be lost just the same way as Jimmy Carter is lost. Do you know where he is? Q:* NOT AT THE MOMENT. A:* Nobody will ever -- people will know only when he will die, then there will be a small news, newspapers, that poor Jimmy has died. Q:* SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF YOUR PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN PERSONALLY? A:* Every politician is basically a criminal...

... the whole earth should be holy, no. Q:* WHY, THEN, DO THE CHRISTIANS SEND OUT MISSIONARIES AND THE MOSLEMS TALK ABOUT HOLY WAR, AND SO FORTH? A:* Yes, they are sending these people to create more Mohammedans, more Catholics, so Vatican becomes more powerful. It is the politics of numbers. But Vatican is not saying that Christians in India have a holy land. You will be surprised that Indian...

... the whole world living in misery, poverty, war, death, and finally a global suicide. These are the alternatives. And it seems that we accept things which we are not doing -- whether they are moral or immoral. For example, if a world war starts nobody will bother about morality or immorality. It will not kill seventy-five percent people, it will kill hundred percent life -- trees, birds, animals, who...