... EXCITINGLY INTERESTING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I FOUND THAT IT DOES NOT TRANSFORM AT ALL. WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR? BELOVED MASTER, AM I WASTING MY TIME WITH IT? WHEN I SEE YOU LAUGHING I MELT WITH JOY. Satyam Bhairava, the question you have asked implies many questions. First, are the scientists also of the same category as politicians? In a way, yes. The politician is one whose whole desire is to have power...

...; hence anybody whose desire is to have power, particularly over others -- they may be human beings or material objects, it makes no difference.... The politician is struggling to have power over people, the scientist is struggling to have power over matter; but the desire is the same, and the mind is the same. So, in one way, they both are in the same boat. But there are many other aspects in which...

... impossible to win against Germany in the war." Albert Einstein was a German Jew. He was working in Germany, researching under the German government, which was under Adolf Hitler, to create an atom bomb. Just the very idea... if he was not a Jew, the whole history of the world would have been totally different. If Germany could have produced atom bombs, then there would have been no power -- neither of...

... need to use these bombs." But Truman was in a hurry to use the atom bomb, because Germany has surrendered and if Japan also surrenders then there is no opportunity to see what great power America has and no opportunity to show the whole world. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were destroyed unnecessarily. Japan was ready to surrender. Preparations were being done on how the surrender should happen...

...; negotiations were going on between the generals. And Truman ordered, "Before the surrender at least we should try out how much power we have. Once the war ends we won't have any opportunity." Two hundred thousand people in two great cities died within ten minutes -- and not only people but trees, animals, birds, everything alive suddenly became dead. Albert Einstein was so much shocked that before...

... his death when somebody asked him, "If you are born again, wouldn't you like to be a physicist in your new life?" he said, "Never! If I am born again, I would rather be a plumber than a physicist. Enough is enough. I have seen how I worked day in, day out to create the atomic weapons. They were for an emergency, but once they were created I had no power over them. I had created them...

... old scientist of the times of Galileo, just working in his own house, with a few tubes and a few bottles, just mixing chemicals and experimenting. Those days are gone. Now he has the power to destroy the whole life of this planet or to create a life so beautiful and so blissful that man has imagined it only in heaven; it can be possible here. A few small groups of scientists have started working on...

... DECKED WITH PURPLE HONOURS.... A TABLE OF VALUES HANGS OVER EVERY PEOPLE. BEHOLD, IT IS THE TABLE OF ITS OVERCOMINGS; BEHOLD, IT IS THE VOICE OF ITS WILL TO POWER. WHAT IT ACCOUNTS HARD IT CALLS PRAISEWORTHY; WHAT IT ACCOUNTS INDISPENSABLE AND HARD IT CALLS GOOD; AND THAT WHICH RELIEVES THE GREATEST NEED, THE RARE, THE HARDEST OF ALL - IT GLORIFIES AS HOLY. WHATEVER CAUSES IT TO RULE AND CONQUER AND...

....... IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CREATORS AND LOVING MEN WHO CREATED GOOD AND EVIL. FIRE OF LOVE AND FIRE OF ANGER GLOW IN THE NAMES OF ALL VIRTUES. ZARATHUSTRA HAS SEEN MANY LANDS AND MANY PEOPLES: ZARATHUSTRA HAS FOUND NO GREATER POWER ON EARTH THAN THE WORKS OF THESE LOVING MEN: THESE WORKS ARE NAMED 'GOOD' AND 'EVIL'. TRULY, THE POWER OF THIS PRAISING AND BLAMING IS A MONSTER.... HITHERTO THERE HAVE BEEN A...

... - written by uneducated, uncultured, uncivilized people - are dominating you through them? A TABLE OF VALUES HANGS OVER EVERY PEOPLE. BEHOLD, IT IS THE TABLE OF ITS OVERCOMINGS; BEHOLD, IT IS THE VOICE OF ITS WILL TO POWER. And all these values that a certain society accepts, are nothing but will to power. Now Professor Bhansali has not done anything that can be called spiritual. It has not given him any...

... awakening, any enlightenment, it has not given him any realization of his own self; but it has given him great power. In Mahatma Gandhi's ashram there were two great men; one was Mahatma Gandhi, the other was Professor Bhansali. The visitor first will go to Mahatma Gandhi to touch his feet, and then they will go to Bhansali, to touch his feet. People can be persuaded to do anything, meaningful or...

... meaningless, if they see that their instinct for will to power is satisfied. They can do anything - almost unbelievable. The Jaina monks and Jaina nuns cannot use modern toilets. Obviously, they are not mentioned in their scriptures. On the contrary, their scriptures say, "You should not defecate or urinate in water." That was good, twenty-five centuries ago; otherwise you will pollute the water...

... crown of the whole of evolution. ... IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CREATORS AND LOVING MEN WHO CREATED GOOD AND EVIL. FIRE OF LOVE AND FIRE OF ANGER GLOW IN THE NAMES OF ALL VIRTUES. ZARATHUSTRA HAS SEEN MANY LANDS AND MANY PEOPLES: ZARATHUSTRA HAS FOUND NO GREATER POWER ON EARTH THAN THE WORKS OF THESE LOVING MEN: THESE WORKS ARE NAMED 'GOOD' AND 'EVIL'. It is easy to understand that "good" is a great...

... the divine. TRULY, THE POWER OF THIS PRAISING AND BLAMING IS A MONSTER... HITHERTO THERE HAVE BEEN A THOUSAND GOALS, FOR THERE HAVE BEEN A THOUSAND PEOPLES. ONLY FETTERS ARE STILL LACKING FOR THESE THOUSAND NECKS, THE ONE GOAL IS STILL LACKING. YET TELL ME, MY BROTHERS: IF A GOAL FOR HUMANITY IS STILL LACKING, IS THERE NOT STILL LACKING - HUMANITY ITSELF? This is a tremendous insight and...

... hell in its all gory detail.... These people, if they had any chance, would have become Adolf Hitlers, Joseph Stalins, Mao Zedongs, very easily. They had all the ideas; all that they were missing was power. But in a subtle way they had power too, but not for right now. Their power was in their being the head priest, the pope, the shankaracharya, but that power helped them to throw you into hell...

...-nine men.... If they all joined together, they could kill this man, they could take back their wives. They had to be prevented. The priest had to invent ways, because the priest was protected by Krishna. Krishna had the power, temporal power, in his hands - the army, the court, the law - he protected the priest. Hindu law says that if you kill a sudra, an untouchable, then ten years in jail is enough...

... punishment; but if you kill a brahmin, then it is the death penalty. Not only in one life but in the coming seven lives, again and again you will be murdered, killed; only then will the punishment be over. The temporal power protects the priest, the priest protects the temporal power. The priest says, "Krishna is no ordinary man, he is God's perfect incarnation and you should be happy that he has...

... weakness. Loneliness is asking always for the other, it is dependent on the other. Hence the other has power over you, you have power over the other. What power has a husband over the wife? What power has the wife over the husband? Simply this: without the other you feel lonely, and when you feel lonely, fear arises. Strange, two cowards, two persons full of fear, together start feeling great. Their...

..., "I cannot be satisfied with one woman. I want all the women of the earth." Now how are you going to satisfy these people? And he is saying something which is hidden in every man and in every woman. How can you manage? There are people who will not be satisfied unless they have great power over millions of people in their hands. These politicians cannot be satisfied without power. They are...

... addicted to power, but if they have power then millions are reduced to slavery. One Adolf Hitler - and millions of people are in danger. But you cannot prevent Adolf Hitlers from being born, and as long as they exist, wars will continue. As long as they exist there will be religions. The question is not at all concerned with America, it is a question of forgiveness - and I am going to be persecuted from...

... know only when I came out of silence and started meeting my people, that it was not Share- Home program, it was just an effort to take over the whole county. It was absolutely political strategy. Q:* YOU'VE PLEDGED TO DECENTRALIZE THE POWER IN THE MOVEMENT'S CORPORATE STRUCTURE, AND THAT YOU'VE SAID, QUOTE: "IT WILL TAKE A FEW DAYS, BUT I WILL MAKE IT DIFFUSED." AND YOU'VE ALSO SAID, QUOTE...

...: "THERE WILL BE SEVERAL CORPORATIONS EQUAL, AND SEVERAL PRESIDENTS OF EQUAL STATUS." YOU MUST HAVE THE POWER THEN TO SAY, "GO DO THIS." A:* No. I don't have any power. I have something more than power, that is my love. I can advise my people -- whether they do it or not, it is up to them. But I love them, they love me, and there is a understanding between us which is not of power. I...

... SANNYASINS AS THE "BEVERLY HILLS MONEY CROWD." AND CONCERN HAS BEEN EXPRESSED THAT ONCE AGAIN THE POWER HAS PASSED TO A CLOSE-KNIT ELITE GROUP OF FAVORITES. WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT, PLEASE? A:* They are absolutely wrong, whosoever have been informing you. My own understanding is that the people who were in power all came from poor families, and I HATE poverty. And whenever a poor person gets an...

... opportunity, then he is bound to take advantage to be rich, to be powerful, and that's what happened. So this time, what I have advised to my people -- give power to those who already have enough money, and are no more interested in taking money from you. On the contrary, they will be putting their money in the commune. And secondly, the people who have taken place, are very creative people. President Prem...

... THEIR POWER. A:* I have never seen a single person who comes from poverty and gets a chance to be rich, has not misused it. Q:* THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SHEELA AND THE GANG... NOW, THEY MAY HAVE ORDERED THESE CRIMES TO BE COMMITTED, BUT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN ACTUALLY PLACING THE BUGS AND THE WIRETAPS, ET CETERA. A:* Yes. There have been ... Q:* A SECONDARY...

... was the only person who did not want me to speak, because if I'm speaking then she is useless. She had all the power because she was representing me. So it was natural. I could see it that she's becoming sadder. And then she started travelling in Europe, in Australia, in other communes, and any excuse and she will simply rush. And I knew the reason: there she was still have the same power; she was...

... hand. Q:* WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN HER MOTIVATION IF YOU WERE STILL SILENT? YOU'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY THAT AS YOU BROKE YOUR SILENCE, SHEELA COULD SEE HER POWER EBBING AWAY. WHY DO THIS EVEN WHEN YOU'RE MAINTAINING YOUR SILENCE, WHEN SHE'S STILL THE LEAD SPOKESMAN AND AWARDED* WITH ALL THE TELEVISION TIME? A:* No, she has booked those things already before, and she continued. But once I started speaking, she...

.... Relatively, Sheela has done much good to the commune, but that does not mean that we are going to protect her illegal acts. Whatever good you have done, we will give you the credit for it, but whatever wrong you have done, you will have to suffer for it. Q:* WHAT PREVENTS SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? YOU'VE DISCUSSED THE DECENTRALIZATION OF POWER. DO YOU FEEL AS IF YOU NEED TO BE MORE INVOLVED...

... THEY'RE HERE? A:* Nothing makes me nervous. All those authorities are nervous. Q:* BUT HAVEN'T YOU AND YOUR AIDES GIVEN THEM TREMENDOUS POWER TO POTENTIALLY DESTROY THIS COMMUNITY. A:* No, they cannot do anything. If they try to destroy this community, they will be destroying the whole image of America in the world. Because I have my friends all around the world, and I have informed them, that if any...

... MEMBERS OF THE FASCIST GANG HAVE DISAPPEARED, THAT SOME ARE NOT STILL HERE? BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO HAD POSITIONS OF POWER BEFORE WHO ARE STILL HERE. A:* The police is looking after them. They are searching everybody, they are talking to everybody. Now this is their business to find out. Perhaps few are there. But my feeling is, the real criminals have disappeared. They can be caught easily...

.... These are my suggestions. I am not going to do anything about it. Those people who are in power, if they understand it, they may do it. That is not my work. My concern is with people who want to grow spiritually. That became the problem in America with me. People don't have any sense of spiritual growth. All they know is material accumulation - more money, more comfort, more luxury. I am not against...

... THE PARADISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOUR COMMUNE IN AMERICA, WAS SHATTERED, NOT FOR INTERNAL REASONS, BUT FOR EXTERNAL REASONS? No, not for internal reasons. The reason was that the politicians became aware that we were creating a model city. This left the politicians without any power; they felt put down, that they could not do anything to improve on what we were doing. People think America is very...

... was silent, in isolation, for three and a half years and I had given all the powers to the president of the commune and the people who were running and taking care of the commune. This can give any human mind an opportunity, it is nothing special. Everybody has a will-to-power. I was completely inactive, I was not even meeting sannyasins. So in these three and a half years they tried to harass...

... people who were more intelligent than themselves and might sometime become competitors. So the people who left, left because they were harassed by this small group of twenty people who were holding power, and who had not the intelligence or the competence to do so. They harassed the vice chancellor and the chancellor of the university, psychologists, professors, doctors - people who had achieved more...

..., those twenty people simply escaped. And all the people who had gone came back immediately. So it was a simple human weakness - when you have power you want more power, and you don't want anybody to be a competitor in any situation. But this was not a big problem. Once I was speaking I thought, those twenty people have left, that does not matter. I have one million sannyasins around the world; what do...

... dead, nobody lives in the palace. At that time Morarji Desai was in power, and he has been against me because I am against Gandhism, and he thinks he is the most Gandhian person in the country. We have been arguing and fighting for many years. When he was chief minister of Gujarat he tried to ban me from entering Gujarat. The assembly rejected him because this was absolutely absurd; I had not...

... is unknowable. And the scientific mind will become almost insane because the unknowable cannot be made known. That is simply the nature of it. And the mind wants everything to be known, just as Roger Bacon said - his was one of the most significant scientific minds - 'Knowledge is power' and mind wants power. And the way to power is to know more and more and finally to know everything. The unknown...

... is beyond mind's power. You cannot dominate the unknown. How can you dominate it? You don't know about it. The whole territory is in darkness. You have first to bring the territory into light, within your control. Mind is a politician and the whole of science is a by-product of the mind. And you can see the connection: finally what mind creates goes into the hands of the politicians. What Albert...

... superficial phenomenon. The reasons are deeper - perhaps the scientists are not even aware. Mind is the politician and the whole of science is nothing but the search for power. And that's what politics is - a search for power in another direction, and one day finally they are going to meet. One day the scientist is going to need the support of the politician, because scientific instruments, labs, are...

... that all scientific research has finally to be subordinated to the politicians. And once you are in their hands - just servants - they are going to use whatever you produce for their own purposes. You may not be producing them for destruction. That is not the point. You are producing under politicians, with their money, with their power. You are simply a servant. You are not going to decide what is...

... going to be done with your discoveries, with your inventions. The politicians have their own ends, but I can see a very deep connection. It is the same mind that moves in the direction of science, a search for power: reduce the unknown into the known, and mind becomes powerful. The politician is also in the same search, the search for domination, power. And if science can support this, then the...

... politician is willing to manage all the money, all the manpower, all the intelligence that is needed by science. But whatever it produces will be used for more power, for more domination, for a world-conquering, destructive process. But the heart, Nivedana, has nothing to do with the known or the unknown. The heart is concerned with the unknowable. You can experience it, you can have all of it - the whole...

... the secretary of my household campus. She has no power, nothing, just she has to maintain things in the campus... the people who will be living and the guests who will be coming -- taking care of them. So just make it clear to people that it cannot happen and we will make every possible way. And their mistrust will disappear -- there is no problem. Few days, it is bound to linger on; but when they...

... badly and will repent, is already repenting. And the politicians cannot win. Power is absolutely powerless when it faces innocence, when it faces love, when it faces meditation. And that's what has happened. For the first thing, they accepted their defeat in the very fact that they became afraid of a single individual who had no power, no nuclear weapons. They accepted their inferiority of power...

... the power of the world, you have all the money of the world -- we don't have anything. If we can make a society for four years where there has never been a rape, a murder, a theft, any other kind of crime... why can't you make such a society? There is nobody unemployed, not a single beggar. America has thirty million beggars on the streets dying. We had accept two hundred street people and they...

... "Don't give visa." So for four years I lived without visa. I was asking for the visa and they will not give, and they will not even say that, "We cannot give," or that "You are not to remain in the country, you have to leave the country." They could not arrest me. For two years they have been trying to arrest me. Such a big power. The biggest power in the world was afraid...

... his body except a robe... this shows the poverty of power, and the stupidity of those who have the power. And they had no arrest warrant which was illegal. They had not even any cause to show me why they are arresting me -- what kind of democracy is this? That a person can be arrested without even telling him. Don't give me in writing, but at least tell me why I am arrested. They won't allow my...

... of devoted people in the world who can do anything for me. This shows the poverty and the defeat of a great power. Are you saying that I am more powerful than America? That's what they were saying... that I cannot be bailed because I will leave America, I will not care about the bail and they will not be able to prevent me from leaving. Now this is a good news for Soviet Union to understand that...

... to worry and that it has nothing to do with her. Never make love a politics, a power struggle. When love gives freedom it becomes tremendously powerful repression. People don't understand, and that's why they have chosen repression. Freedom means that both are free. But people have decided to repress it because they know that if the woman moves, the man is allowed to; if the man moves, the woman is...

... allowed to. Rather than being free they have decided to be slaves. People have decided to be slaves in order to make others slaves. So just think about it. Meet out of your freedom, stay together out of your freedom, and when you are feeling good, be together. Both drop all repressions and let's see what happens, and that power is not ordinary power. It is very very graceful and has a totally different...

... slaves. So just think about it. Meet out of your freedom, stay together out of your freedom, and when you are feeling good, be together. Both drop all repressions and let's see what happens, and that power is not ordinary power. It is very very graceful and has a totally different quality to it - magnetic, but almost divine. Prem Devi. It means goddess of love. To me everybody is a god or goddess...

... but you can add meditation to doing. You say, "I can't sit a single moment without doing something. I just can't. Sitting is not within my power, it's not my nature." Psychologists call them extroverts: they are always occupied, they need to do something or other. Until they fall down exhausted and sleep it is not natural for them to stop working. Activity is their nature. The master says...

... remembering," "mindfulness"; Ashtavakra, the Upanishads, the Gita, all use "witnessing." The difference is only of tradition, but they all indicate the same direction. The second question: Question 2: BELOVED OSHO, DURING YOUR FIRST DISCOURSE ON THE MAHAGITA MANY PEOPLE WERE WEEPING STREAMS OF TEARS. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? ARE THOSE WHO WERE CRYING WEAK HEARTED OR IS IT THE POWER OF...

... darkness. An arrow must have filled the heart with anguish and ecstasy - they could not stop their tears. There is no relationship between this and the power of my words, because you also were listening. If it were only the power of my speaking then even you would have cried, everyone would have cried. No, it is related more to the heartfulness of the listeners than to my speaking. Those who could cry...

..., cried. And crying is a great power. Humanity has lost a very unique capacity - men especially have lost it. Women have saved it a little, women are fortunate. The tear glands in human eyes are the same in man and woman; nature has made tear glands identically. The intention of nature is clear: the eyes of both are made for crying. But the male ego has slowly, slowly controlled everything. Gradually...

.... Strength is not so hard, strength is gentle. You have seen streams falling down the mountains, cataracts falling - gentle water. Rock is very hard. Rock certainly thinks it is strong, flowing water is weak. But finally the flowing water is victorious, the rock is reduced to sand and carried away. God is with the gentle. God is the power of the powerless. A flower has bloomed and near it is a rock. Of...

... course the rock appears strong, the flower weak. But have you ever seen the flower's power - the power of life? Who bows down to a rock? You don't take a stone to offer to God's feet. Do you think the stone is very strong so you give it to your beloved? No, you won't do this. You pick flowers, and give them to someone. A flower has strength. A flower has majesty. Tenderness is its strength. Its...

..., no word; sails from a sandstorm. Thousands of helpless sighs are buried here - these graves are not only a heap of stones. Sails from a sandstorm...." Here the ones you understand to be helpers are exploiting you. And those you think are your leaders are sitting on your chest. Have you noticed? When someone gets into office he starts talking law and order. And out of power a politician begins...

... talking revolution; just with his being out of power the question of revolt arises. Then everything is wrong, everything should be changed. And just coming into power the question of law and order arises.... Everything is good, change is dangerous. Now it is necessary to be disciplined. Everywhere in the world it has always been like this. Politicians only have lust for power, they are not concerned...

... with order or revolt. Yes, when they are not keeping order, when the power is not in their hands, then they say everything is wrong; then a revolution is needed. And as soon as they come to power, revolution isn't needed any more because the work of the revolution is complete. Its work was this - to bring him to power - the job is done. Then whoever mentions revolution is an enemy. And those that...

... speak of revolution also have nothing to do with it. It is an amazing thing to watch - it is happening every day, and still man does not become alert. All revolutionaries become counter- revolutionary when they come to power. And all ousted politicians become revolutionaries as soon as they step down from office. Political office has great magic! Sitting in office - order, because now order is in your...