...Kiss or Kill...

... Osho Guida Spirituale: Kiss or Kill Main Books Headers Help Your browser does not support iframes. < Prev  Osho Guida Spirituale   Next > Kiss or Kill From: Osho Date: Fri, 9 September 1980 00:00:00 GMT Book Title: Guida Spirituale Chapter #: 15 Location: am in Buddha Hall Archive Code: N.A. Short Title: N.A. Audio Available: N.A. Video Available: N.A. Length: N.A. The first...

... your state of mind it is bound to be either knowledge - then you are not a disciple, you can at the most be a student - or a feeling: then you are a disciple. When you become enlightened you become a devotee; the Master is no more needed. The Master says, "If you meet me on the way, kill me," but you cannot kill - there s no need! You can kiss, you cannot kill. From Buddha's side it is...

... perfectly okay. He says, "If you meet me on the way, kill me." But one of my sannyasins wrote to me, "Osho, I cannot kill you. When I will meet you on the way I am going to kiss you! " I can understand her standpoint also - that's perfectly right. But in killing the same happens as in kissing. Why does Buddha say, "Kill me"? - so that there is not any more duality. The same...

... can happen through kissing: there is no more duality, you become one. That's what is needed: either kill or kiss! In your state, Prem Ketan, it seems you are still living in the world of knowledge, otherwise this question would not have arisen. YOU are still a student, not a disciple. A homosexual was walking down the street with his dog. A little kid started teasing him, "Homo, homo!" The...

... moment you are born. Because the old man dies and is born as a new baby, so if he can remember the past he will be already old; the whole purpose will be lost. Nature closes the past for you, so every birth seems to be a new birth. But you again start accumulating. When it is too much, nature will kill you again. One becomes capable to know his past lives only when one is dead to the past. Then nature...

... opens the door. Then nature knows; now there is no need for nature to hide from you. You have attained to the constant newness, freshness of life. Now you know how to die: nature need not kill you. Once you know that you are not the past, you are not the future but you are the very "presentness" of things, then whole nature opens its doors and mysteries. Your whole past - millions of lives...

... lived in many, many ways - all reveal. Now it can be revealed because you will not be burdened by it. Now no past can burden you. And if you have come to know the alchemy of how to become continuously new, this will be your last life, because then there is no need to kill you and help you to be reborn. There is no need You are doing it yourself every moment. That is the meaning why a Buddha disappears...

... years nonsense, rubbish, rot, and then kill this ruin of a man, and help him to be born again, and to put him in the same circle, because he will gather again. This is a vicious circle. Hindus have called it the sansar. Sansar means the wheel: the wheel goes on moving again and again on the same route. An enlightened person is one who has dropped out - out of the wheel. He says, "No more of it...

... Nature need not kill me because now I kill myself every moment." And if you are fresh, nature need not use death for you, but then there is no need for birth also, because you are using birth continuously. Every moment you die to the past and are born to the present. That's why you feel a subtle freshness around a Buddha, as if he has taken a bath just now. You come near him and you feel a...

... by, the first part is to be dropped. It becomes "Lahoo-Lahoo-Lahoo". Then even "Lah" is to be dropped. It becomes "Hoo-Hoo-Hoo". It is very forceful, and it hits your sex center directly. It doesn't hit your heart: it hits your sex center. For you Hoo will be helpful because now your heart is almost non-functioning. Love has disappeared; only sex has remained. Your sex...

... center is functioning, not your love center, so Aum will not be of much help. Hoo will be a deeper help because your energy is not now near the heart. Your energy is near the sex center, and the sex center has to be hit directly so the energy rises upwards. After a period of doing Hoo, you may feel that now you don't need that much of a dose. Then you can turn over to Aum. When you start feeling that...

... simply take a note that "Yes, a woman has passed," but nothing arises withit, you; your sex center is not hit, no energy moves in you - then you can start Aum. But no need: you can continue with Hoo. Hoo is a stronger dose. When you do Hoo, you can immediately feel it goes to the stomach - to the center of hara, and then to the sex center. It forces the sex energy immediately upwards. It...

... place. They have chosen a wrong place for their ego trips because I am here to kill their egos completely, to shatter them. That's why you feel so much chaos around me. Remember, you can be in a right place for wrong reasons. Then you miss, because the question is not the place; the question is why you are here. If you are for your body needs, something can be done, and when your body needs are...

..., but the poison used was indetectable. Doctors said, "People have been poisoned but we cannot prove it. Efforts have been made to kill, but because it is indetectable there is no way to prove it." So I had to wait, and as more facts started gathering, that every phone going out from the commune, coming into the commune, was being tapped, that every house was bugged, even my room was bugged...

... and threw his body out of Rancho Rajneesh; they tried to kill the three people most intimate to me who were a danger to them -- because they were my physician, my dentist, my caretaker, and they might inform me about things that were going on. They even tried some kind of poison in my milk. They never wanted me to speak again. They didn't have the idea to kill me; but they certainly wanted me to...

... certain sound, and that sound stops the engine. That gave Sheela an idea that a machine can be created which can create the sound, and can stop anybody's heart. This I have heard; soon it will come before the government and before the court. But this was the idea, to kill a person without even touching him. The scientist refused, he said, "I cannot do such a thing." But he said it is possible...

... came out of my silence, she started to kill my physician. Q:* DO YOU KNOW HOW? A:* First she gave him some poison in a cup of coffee. Because he is a topmost physician, he immediately recognized that he had been poisoned. The medical center examined him -- he was sick, he was weak, his head was going beserk -- but they could not find any disease. They had only a suspicion, but no solid proof that he...

... had been poisoned. Then the second time was when he was inside the nursing home, resting for three days. Puja, Sheela's assistant -- she is a nurse - - injected him again with the same poison, and again the same symptoms started. But it is a slow poison; it does not kill you but it weakens you. It will kill you after six, eight months, so by that time it will look almost a natural death. The third...

..., literature on how to kill people; and in the book on poisons the only poison that is underlined is the same that all the doctors were suspecting. Q:* WHAT IS THAT? A:* I don't know exactly, but that is the poison which is indetectable. And it kills the person; if you give it many times -- it can be given in milk, in water, in food -- the person will become weak, he will die slowly. This was the last straw...

... her friends that she was going to resign. So now she will be managing -- and those technicians are with her who had managed the whole mechanism of bugging, taping; now they can do anything with those tapes, they can put in my words for anything. It is simple, a very simple game, so she can blame everything on me -- that was the purpose. She could say, "I want to kill Devaraj because he is...

... dangerous to you and I have information that it is no good for him to be your physician. The only way to remove him is to finish him." She can put in her question and take any piece from the tape where I agree with her. So she can manage to make it seem that all the crimes that have been committed were committed with my consent, with my awareness; that I knew that the Wasco County was going to be...

... are going, you are going with the help of the head. The head is the horse. Wherever you want to go -- to Delhi or to Washington or to heaven, it does not matter -- the head is the horse, it takes you everywhere. It takes you everywhere except that place where you are. If you want to be there where you are you have to kill this horse, you have to slay this horse, you have to be a murderer of the mind...

... starve the child, you don't give your love to him. Naturally the child starts understanding that his survival is at stake. If he listens to this mother and this father all is okay; if not, they will kill him. And what can the child do? How can he assert himself against these powerful people? They loom large. They are huge and very big and very powerful and they can do anything. By the time the child...

... that the parents have created. That's why Buddha says that unless you kill your parents you will never become free. Killing the parents means killing the voice of the parent inside you, killing the conscience inside you, dropping these nonsense ideas and starting to live your own life according to your own consciousness. Remember, consciousness has to be more and conscience has to be less. By and by...

..., he can ask any price. He can say 'Crawl and kiss my feet' and you will crawl and kiss his feet. He can manage anything, he can force anything upon you. That's what we have done up to now with children. I'm not saying that you should go and kill your father and mother. They were victims just as you are victims. They were victims of their society, of their parents. And those parents were again...

... people are in the service of the establishment and naturally the establishment helps them in every way. It is bound to. People like me cannot be helped by the establishment. We are not in conspiracy with them. In fact, that they allow us to live is a miracle. It must be because now it is very difficult to kill a person in the way that they crucified Jesus or poisoned Socrates. Man has grown a little...

... -- everything, I say. Hoard and you kill it, hoard and it stinks. The reason is that whatever is momentous, living and moving, is momentary. By hoarding you want to make it permanent. You love a woman, you love a man -- and you want to possess it, you want it to be permanent. It can be eternal but it cannot be permanent. Understand it. Try to understand it. It is momentary but if you live the moment in a...

... Nayojo exclaimed, 'Then for what are you waiting now? Drop this too.' There was a slight hesitation on Dogen's part; he could not understand. So the Master hit him hard on the head -- and Dogen laughed. He got it. He prostrated himself before his Master and the Master said, 'That is dropping dropped.' 'That is dropping dropped.' This is utter relaxation, this is utter let-go. Even nirvana is dropped...

... I am joking and whenever I am joking know well I am serious. I joke only because the thing is so serious that it is the only way to say it. Otherwise it will be too hard, it will hit too hard. And I am not violent. Yes, I can understand your trouble. I confuse you. Abraham Lincoln used to tell this joke about himself. He was known as the buffoon president in America in his day. Two Amish ladies...

...,' said the bishop,'he shall be tried, charged with blasphemy and upsetting public order. If he does not recant, he may be put to death as a heretic and a corruptor. Just tell me his name and I shall arrange his arrest.' 'I wish you could realize how impressed I am by your competence,' said the Bektasi dervish.'His name is Jesus.' Even Christians would kill him if he came again. It is not only that Jews...

... you miss adventure, you miss all. If your life is not that of an adventure, of a search into the unknown, then you are living in vain. Jesus, or a man like Jesus, always brings the unknown to you. He always brings the challenge. The comfortable mind, the settled mind, feels danger. Either Jesus will kill your mind, or you will have to kill Jesus to save your mind. These are the only two alternatives...

.... Either you can go with Jesus - then by and by you will dissolve - or you will have to kill Jesus before he attracts you. Let me say it in this way: Jews killed Jesus not because he was against them, but because deep down, they were attracted towards him - a deep attraction, a deep magnetism. That was the only way to protect themselves. Jews were not trying to kill him, they were simply trying to...

... calling them, this man went on haunting them, this man became a constant danger. They killed him to protect themselves. Don't be angry against them. If you are angry against them you miss the whole point Jesus will be killed again if he comes - now Christians will kill him because the same problem will arise again. Now Christianity is a settled thing, and religion can never be a settled thing. Religion...

... man attracts your center. Mind is the periphery, being is the center - this man attracts your being. And let me tell you: when you crucify Jesus, you crucify your own being in favor of your mind. When you kill Jesus, you kill your own being in favor of your periphery. When Jews killed Jesus on that day, they decided to be in favor of the mind against their own being. Jesus was their essence. He was...

... big bag-needle and began to stick them with it. He stuck one of them:'Ouch!' 'That's yours - pull it in!' He stuck another one:'Ouch!' 'That is yours, that one - pull it in!' He stuck all of them the same way until he had the very last one on his feet. That is the situation of humanity. The whole of humanity has been behaving very foolishly. Somebody is needed to hit you hard, to make you aware. And...

... manage that space again; the remaining lines never came. And I am not a poet who will compose poetry just intellectually. If it comes from the beyond, I am receptive." And that beyond is really within your unconscious; it comes from there. But it looks like it is coming from the beyond. Now, if you cure the poet of obsession, you kill him. Sigmund Freud is not needed by poets and scientists and...

... was a chain-smoker; he was reading, writing - and smoking. His wife, his physician, his friend Engels, they were all worried that this smoking would kill him. One day he came home with big boxes of a certain cigarette that had just come on the market. His wife could not believe it: "Are you going to open a shop? Are you going to sell cigarettes? So many big boxes!" And he was so happy. He...

... together, to save money!" Engels came, took the cigarettes from his mouth and said, "Are you mad? What are you doing?" He said, "I am just trying to do something so that I need not depend on you: saving money." It was so difficult to explain to him, "Nothing will be saved, you will simply kill yourself. Yes, in figures it looks as if you smoke one cigarette and half the...

... are both his hands; they have to learn to be together, they have to learn to function together in harmony. If all the scientists of the world can have a little understanding of religiousness, they can at least refuse to create for war. And if politicians are very much interested, they can have wrestling matches. Everybody will enjoy it and there will be no harm. Why kill people? - people who have no...

... interest in anything for which they will be killed. Why kill children? Why kill women? Why kill old people? They have no desire, no ideology; they simply want to live and be left alone to live. But the politicians won't let them. Now, is it not a simpler thing that the president of America goes into a wrestling match with the president of Russia? Then whosoever wins, good. And drop all this nonsense...

... - just a little sportsmanship will do; no politics is needed, no army is needed. If your generals are so interested in fighting, then let generals have boxing matches - or Indian-style wrestling, which is far better, far simpler, more human: you don't hit people's faces and their noses and their eyes and their lips and you don't disfigure them. And you don't break people's bones; there is no need. It...

... can move into production. All the sciences working to kill each other can work together - they both are our hands. And I don't see that there is any problem that cannot be solved; we only need a simple vision. The religious man's vision is simple, uncomplicated, clear. Unclouded is his being. He is just a mirror. You can see your face in the mirror. You can see how you are creating your troubles...

... nothing. Just start, 'Hare Krishna, Hare Rama.'" And they both were repeating, "Hare Krishna, Hare Rama." I had simply to drop a tin can of kerosene oil - an empty tin can. I beat it first with my hand, and just dropped it on the teacher - it simply hit the teacher's head, and it was worth seeing how he ran away! And he would not remove it. Even with the tin can, he rushed towards the...

... clock gave the signal of twelve, Sahibdas looked and said, "My God! He is standing there! He is so angry that if we go near him, he can do anything!" I said, "You can go near him, but he has said that he will do anything - I don't know what he will do - that he will jump upon you, or he will hit you or something." I had given the friend a good staff and said, "If he comes...

..., just give him a good hit." He had a clean-shaved head, the way the Kabir followers keep their heads, clean-shaved. "Just give a good hit on his head, and that will be enough, with the fear and all, and he will become unconscious. And I will call over everybody concerned, my father and others, and say, 'Look!' " And that happened. He went close, got a good hit, fell down, and became...

... hit and disappear." And the place was such, almost a jungle type - "You can disappear very easily." It took almost one hour to bring Sahibdas back. My father asked him, "What happened?" He said, "Your son was right; we unnecessarily suspected him. He has shown me my guru - he was standing here! And he had told me, 'Don't go near him because he is very angry.' But even...

... when he was alive, he never hit me that hard! He hit me with a staff so hard on my head" - there was blood on his head - "And the fear of his ghost... I fell, and then I don't know what happened." He became so afraid - it was outside the town, the ashram - that he left the town the next day. We have never heard about him or what happened to him. But one thing is certain, he must have...

... take at least two years to begin with, but the structure will start immediately. So first I want to cut out all that is ugly, because my understanding is: the more you feed people on ugly things, the more you make them accept the ugly. Slowly slowly they feel that this is how human beings are -- they kill, they murder, they war. They do all these things and this is natural, this is just how human...

... working because it was their commune, and they had to make it as beautiful as possible. In four years' time not a single crime, no rape, no murder, no suicide, no theft. There was no need -- when you can get everything that you want, why you should steal somebody's used things? There was no need. Q: HERE CAN I INTERRUPT YOU? A: Just a moment. This created an idea all over America that communism is not...

... -- that meat is not necessary, not only necessary but in fact, ugly. And in total perspective of education, a man who eats meat, fish or anything living will not grow into his heart. His heart will remain insensitive. If just for eating you can kill, then your heart will remain a stone. Q: BUT AREN'T PLANTS ALSO ALIVE? A: They are alive... they are alive, and if one is really to be a vegetarian then one...

...: No! I am not going to change to please ANYBODY; I will simply behave the way I feel right. Q: DON'T YOU THINK ALL THESE EXPERIENCES HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT ANY CHANGE IN YOUR PERSONAL CHARACTER? A: No... no, they have made me more stronger and more convinced about my truth. Q: WHY DO YOU EVOKE SUCH EXTREME REACTIONS IN PEOPLE? -- EITHER THEY ARE READY TO KILL FOR YOU OR THEY ARE READY TO KILL YOU? A...

... can see that GITA and Mahatma Gandhi are contradictory. Gandhi has no argument; he has never given any argument what about Krishna who is continuously trying in the whole GITA for Arjuna to fight, to kill? because this is your religion and this is God's will -- you have to do it. Q: DO YOU AGREE WITH THE GITA AND ITS PHILOSOPHY? A: No! If I had been in place of Arjuna I would have told Krishna...

..., "If somebody attacks you, what you will do?" Gandhi said, "We will come out and we will say, 'We are here -- if you want to kill us you can kill us; if you want to live with us, you can live with us.'" It is so easy to talk -- but that time it was useful because it gave a great aura of saintliness but when the reality came in his hands, then all things changed; then he was not the...

... own sword. Now if a person brings a real sword to kill a rat, his defeat is certain. A warrior bringing a sword to kill a rat! He is now afraid of the rat. It seems an uncommon rodent! His hands began to tremble. Now he feared if the real sword broke there would be no way of redressing the insult and infamy. So he hit very cautiously. It is a known fact that a blow dealt cautiously, always misses...

... that all their bodily needs are satisfied but work constantly towards keeping their minds free from ambition. What we do as a rule is, that we sacrifice the body to any extent to satisfy the ambitions of the mind and gratify its desires. We are forever ready to sacrifice the body at the altar of the mind's desires. Our whole life is one long story of the murder of the body to satisfy the desires of...

... which his daughter used to play and hit the rat hard. The rat moved barely an inch. But he had dealt the blow in such anger that the sword fell down and broke into pieces. The rat sat silent in his place. Now the . man was disturbed and a little frightened himself. The rat did not seem to be an ordinary rat. He had never missed a blow - he could not imagine how he missed this? He went and fetched his...

... have? The cat also got wind of it. She too was frightened. All night she lay awake making various plans to kill the rat. At times she wondered why all this preparations. Rats run away at sight of her! But then she said to herself, "This rat is uncommon. I might as well be prepared." The next morning she came and stood at the entrance of the room. She looked in and saw the rat. She trembled...

... leaving the palace she told the king, "Are you not ashamed to send me to kill an ordinary mouse? I am not an ordinary cat!" The fact is, she too had heard that the rat was no ordinary rat so in the order to dissuade the king from sending her, she was trying this trick. The king said, "It is no ordinary rat and it is I who am afraid whether you will return alive." The cat was taken to...

... things - making plans to kill a rat! The very fact that you plan, shows that you are frightened. After all, he is merely a rat - I'll catch him! There is no need for any method. To be a cat is the very art of catching a rat." The swordsman also warned her that it was no ordinary rat. He said if she failed, he would have to leave his house forever. The cat said, "What is so great about this...

.... We decide the give and take coins for everything. Lao Tzu says, "Change these coins. Become naught within, remove the will-power and let whatever happens, happen." We will then say, "We might contract some illness, we might die, we might be looted, we shall be ruined!" We find a thousand excuses. But our arguments will hold no water for from all the things that we are trying to...

... marriageable, fifteen boys will have popped off! Only one hundred boys and one hundred girls will be left. Girls don't die easily. Women don't commit suicide as much as men; men's suicide rate is double. Although women talk about suicide more than men - man ordinarily never talks - women make much fuss about suicide but they always choose to survive because they don't use any drastic methods to kill...

..., the relatives, the police officers. He has unnecessarily become a criminal, and everybody's sympathy is for the woman - although she was going to commit suicide. As far as murder is concerned, the difference is vast. Man commits murder almost twenty times more; a woman, very rarely. Women go mad less than men. Again, the proportion is the same: men go mad twice as often as women. And still, after...

... energy overflowing that he will tire you within hours. Nine months in the womb and then a few years.... Just try one night to sleep with a small baby in your bed. During that night, in your house, something is going to happen. Either the child will kill you or you will kill the child. Most probably, you will kill the child, because children are the nastiest people in the world. They are so fresh and...

... man that were in the woman. For example, Joan of Arc had all the qualities of man. The Queen of Jhansi in India had all the qualities of man: she could fight with a naked sword, could kill people without any problem. Such women have been chosen in history and great tribute is paid to them by the historians. And they don't represent women. In fact, that is the reason why they have been chosen...

..., Adolf Hitler was born. Adolf Hitler, Goebbels, and the whole bunch of criminals who surrounded him, are pygmies compared to Friedrich Nietzsche as far as intelligence is concerned. They misunderstood him completely. They took out portions that supported fascism, murder, invading innocent people, killing innocent people. I am here to counter Nietzsche. I love the man, I love his insights, but that does...