... DON'T CARE A BIT ABOUT NIRVANA ANYMORE. PLEASE ACCEPT ME, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT WORTHY OF IT. Aruna Bharti, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST significant things to understand that the very desire for NIRVANA is the only hindrance. You can desire money, you can desire power, you can desire prestige, but you cannot desire nirvana; that is a contradiction in terms. NIRVANA simply means the understanding that all desires...

..., one is so totally finished that one forgets all about it; one does not move to the opposite extreme. The opposite extreme is also part of the same desire. First you are too much attached, then you start becoming too much detached - another extreme. A man is running after money, then one day he gets tired, then he starts running away from money. He says, "I don't want even to see money, I don't...

... want even to touch money." But this is the same man. The greatest disciple of Mahatma Gandhi, Vinoba Bhave, does not look at money. If you take money in front of him he immediately closes his eyes. What does it mean? It simply means that still somewhere the attachment goes on lingering. Now, behind all this detachment it is the same attachment. Now attachment is standing on its head, it is doing...

... lose. You cannot lose anything because, in the first place, to lose you have to have it. I know you are absolutely poor. By "poor" I don't mean that you don't have money; by "poor" I mean you don't have any inner richness. Deep down, every politician suffers from inferiority complex, he suffers from inner poverty. He suffers from such inner emptiness, meaninglessness, that he...

... more there. You have succeeded: you have the money, you have the power, you have name, you have fame, and the inner emptiness is still there, intact. Nothing has changed there. If you ask me, Jaganath Prasad, then it is time to take the jump. It is enough - ten years you have been thinking. How long one is going to think about it? Either take the jump and become a sannyasin or forget all about it...

... he was making rings of the smoke. I went to my father and I said, "I need some money to purchase cigarettes." He said, "I know children sometimes smoke, but not like you - asking your own father. They hide, they lie - and you are asking me for money!" I said, "Certainly, because I don't want to hide anything, and I don't want to feel guilty. And the desire has arisen; it is...

... better to have a taste. If it is not worthwhile, it is finished forever. And if it is worthwhile, then you have to supply me." He knew me perfectly well.... I said, "You remember, that if you don't give me the money, I will steal, and for that stealing you will be responsible. I could have stolen money, there was no problem. I have not done that. I always go through the proper channels."...

...; He looked at me, and he said, "Okay." He sent a servant to bring a packet of cigarettes, and he said, "You smoke." Certainly the experience was not worthwhile. I started coughing. And it looked silly - taking the smoke in and out when you can have fresh air, dirtying, polluting the air with the smoke. And for that you have to pay money too! I said to my father, "Now, you...

... rest assured; this is my first and last cigarette. But if you had prohibited me, things would have been different. Your prohibition would have given me a challenge; I would have stolen money. You would be responsible for my being a thief. I would be smoking, hiding behind the house. For that kind of secrecy you would have been responsible. "I want to remain an open book. I don't want anything...

... problem. Three hundred years ago, every scientist had his own lab; Edison could work on the electric bulb in his own house. But you cannot make atomic energy in your own house. So much money is needed that no individual can afford it - only governments. Naturally, all the scientists have become slaves of certain political systems. You must have heard about the Russian scientist, Sakharov. He was the...

... being creative. Just look at the stupidity of going to the moon, how much money is wasted. For what? The first man who stood there must have felt silly, because there is nothing - no water, no trees, no life. It is a dead planet. But a political race between the Soviet Union and America.... Both were wasting their energy, their scientists, their money to reach to the moon - nobody bothering to ask...

... his paradise a certainty; all hajjis go to paradise. So even poor Mohammedans.... In my village I have seen such poor Mohammedans collecting money, eating only one time a day so that at least once in their whole life... because it will need their life's savings. And I have seen people selling their houses, their land, borrowing money and remaining always in debt because they could not even pay the...

... interest - there was no question of paying the original money. And they have taken it at such high interest; nobody is going to give it to them at a low interest because everybody knows the money is never coming back. And there is every possibility that this man may die because hajj, in the old days, was almost a suicidal pilgrimage. Now it is a little better, but not much better. So at such a high...

... everything. He created chaos in the great temple of the Jews by throwing the money-changers out of the temple, upturning their tables. This is not the way of a man who says, "god is love," who says, "love your neighbor as yourself," who says, "love your enemy as yourself" but I don't think he loved his enemies as himself And he was not only throwing out these people, who were...

... been able to pay back the original money because the interest was so much; they would have been slaves for their whole lives without being slaves. And this was a great institution. I don't think it was wrong. It was perfectly right that the temple provided the poor people with money at the minimum rate. And the temple had so much money. It was perfectly right, in every way ethical to help the poor...

... people because the money was also coming from the same people. But the way the Christians present it is wrong, it is not right. The institution was perfectly right, and Jesus was just creating a nuisance there. He should have gone to the high priest, argued about it, told him, "This institution of taking interest from the poor is not right," convinced him, "give it to them without...

... split. You lose your center. You forget completely who you are. Watch. When you are greedy for money, who are you? You are just a greed for money and nothing else. When you are angry, your ego is hurt, who are you? You are just anger, a wounded ego, nothing else. When you are full of sexual passion, who are you? You are just sexuality, nothing else - libido. When you are ambitious and you want power...

..., prestige, respectability, who are you? You are simply ambition and nothing else. Watch, and you will find many passions in you, but you will not find who you are - all passions pulling you apart, and each passion goes in its own way. If you want money then you will have to sacrifice other passions for it. A man who is mad after money may forget all about sex. It is very easy for a miser to be celibate...

... then you can forget everything else. It is a well-known fact that scientists are very absent-minded people. Their whole mind goes into one direction, but then they become very very poor also. Their field, their vision goes on becoming narrower and narrower and narrower. That's what specialization is. A greedy person becomes narrower and narrower and narrower. He thinks, meditates, only about money...

...; he goes on counting money. His whole mind knows only one music and that is that of money; only one love, and that is that of money. In one way, the people who are possessed by one passion are in a way integrated. They are not rich, they don't have many dimensions to their being, they have only one taste - but they have a certain integration. They are not split. You will not find this type of person...

...? Desire for money, for power, prestige - these are gross desires. Desire to be free, desire to be calm, desire to attain to the last state of arhatship - these are subtle desires, but they are still desires. He will have to come back only once. NEXT IS THE SROTAPANNA. The word srotapanna means 'one who has entered into, the stream'. Srota means stream and apanna means 'one who has entered'. Srotapanna...

... royalties for all of Krishnmurti's books were going to Raj Gopal. And just five years ago, he simply betrayed J. Krishnamurti. He simply said, "You have nothing to do with the organization, the money, the books, the royalties." At the age of eighty-five, Krishnamurti had to begin again from ABC. This man, Raj Gopal, must have had a tremendous patience, because for sixty years he kept the...

... cheat you. And naturally, when a few people have cheated you, your trust in humanity disappears. That is very strange - five persons have cheated you, and five billion people on the earth lose your trust. You should just try to understand a little arithmetic. And the people who have cheated you, what can they gain? - perhaps some money... But if you can still trust them, you have gained something...

... which no money can buy. I used to travel in the trains continually. Once, from Indore to Khandva, I had arrived and there was a one-hour gap before the other train that I had to catch for Bombay. So I was sitting in the compartment alone - all the other passengers had left; that was the terminus for that train. One man came, tears in his eyes. I said, "Don't... just wipe your tears. Just tell me...

..., father died... Soon somebody will come and his wife has died, somebody will come and his child has died. There is one hour's time, and I have enough money for one hour. You just go, go fast! He said, "Why fast" I said, "You will have to change clothes! Just go... " He said, "My God, have you recognized me?" I said, "No, I have not recognized you. How can I recognize...

... on trusting. Do you really believe that my wife is dead?" I said, "I really believe it, because man is mortal, people die. Your wife is not immortal. Don't be afraid - she will die. If she has not died today, tomorrow she will die. Keep the rupee with you; perhaps you are telling the story a little ahead of time." He said, "I will not take any money from you, and from today I...

... have been cheating you may not be able to cheat you. Just your very being... I was asleep in the train, and there was only one other person. I was in the upper berth. In the middle of the night the person was getting out of the train. It was a beautiful chance, because all my luggage was on the floor and he saw that I was asleep. So he told his servants to take everything. Just my money was in a...

... pocketbook. So when he had taken everything out, I said, "Wait!" So he said, "Are you awake?" I said, "I have been awake all the time. You have taken everything; just this pocketbook is left with the money I have. Take this too. Always do everything totally." He said, "My God... " He said to his servants, "Bring his things back, he is dangerous." And the...

... station master came running - "What is the matter?" - and the driver and the conductor, and the man was trembling that I would tell them that he was stealing everything. I said, "It is nothing. Just by mistake he has taken everything out. His mistake was not complete, and I am against things which are not complete. So I was giving my money to him, telling him, 'Take this too, so...

... everything is complete.'" They said, "Should we catch hold of this man and give him to the police?" I said, "No, because he is a nice fellow. He didn't accept the money and he has brought all the things back." He was in such a nervous state that he left one of his bags also with me. I had to send his bag back from the next station telling them, "Find this man." At least...

... conclusion. This is a strange dilemma, but if you understand rightly you can see the point. The point is, mind can live only in movement. When there is no movement time stops, mind stops, only you are. It was not you who freaked out, it was your mind, with which you are absolutely identified. Unless you create a distance between the mind and you - you the witness - you will remain searching. Money, power...

... inexplicable. He is fed up with women, he is fed up with wine, he is fed up with everything that money can purchase. All that he can promise to his disciples is a pure silence. But Mohammed cannot do that, Jesus cannot do that. Jesus has to provide in his paradise all those beautiful things which poor people are missing on the earth. Mohammed provides rivers of wine, beautiful women. And you will be shocked...

... pure aloneness. The poor man is not tired... he has not even had the chance to be tired of money. He is hoping some day he will have money, have a beautiful house. One day I was stopped on the road - I was going to the university - and a beautiful woman gave me a pamphlet. I asked, "What is it?" She said, "Everything is explained in it, and if you are interested the phone number is...

... meaningless, that it leads nowhere, that it is sheer wastage of life. Something more is needed - something that money cannot purchase, something that science cannot produce, something that is not available in the market, something that you have to find within yourself. But why are people not interested in themselves? Perhaps in their past lives at some moment they had reached the house of God, and ever...

... presence and the sannyasins. The government was disturbed because we created a certain kind of far higher communism than exists in Soviet Union by simply removing money from the commune. That in the commune nobody can purchase anything. All your needs will be fulfilled by the commune. You can donate to the commune but you cannot purchase anything in the commune. And we were an island far away. The...

... closest town was thirty miles. So once the exchange status of money was removed... you may have millions of dollars and I may not have a single dollar -- you are not rich and I am not poor. We are in the same space and in the same boat. You are unnecessarily loaded for your, with your money which cannot purchase any single thing and whatever you can get from the commune, I can get from the commune. So...

... without bringing any dictatorship, without bringing any government, without bringing any revolution of any sort, just by removing the money inside the commune, suddenly there was nobody poor, nobody rich. This created certainly a trouble in the American politician's mind. People started coming to see the commune, how people are happy, how people are healthy, and how they have managed the desert to...

... amount of money... we are not going to give a bail. Bhagwan will remain in jail as long as the trial continues and the trial can continue for five years, for ten years, for fifteen years, because it is in our hands -- how to go on postponing, changing courts." They made it clear that they have no case. My attorneys came to me with tears in their eyes, the best attorneys of America, and they said...

... himself superior to somebody, inferior to somebody. He is always struggling to go forward, to be the first in the race, to reach the highest glory on this earth of money, of power, of prestige. But if you are not aware and alert, if you have not yet experienced the love that is no longer part of biology, then there is only one way you can recognize the master and that is when he is crucified. His...

... glass and said, "There is no need for any operation." Benson was very happy. He said, "Really? Is there any hope?" He said, "Every hope. First, you went to a Chinese woman - because these diseases you can get only from a Chinese prostitute. The second wrong thing you did was, you went to American doctors who are just after money, money, money - and money means you have to do...

... something. Even if your cock disappears, they are not worried; they need money. An operation means money. You don't be worried, there is no need of any operation." Benson was very happy. He said, "Thank you!" He gave much money to him and the old man said, "Whenever there is any trouble, come to me, don't go to American doctors. They are simply cheating people." Just to have a...

... hankering for the prizes and awards the establishment can bestow upon them: respectability, honor. They are all desiring to be Nobel laureates, but to get the Nobel prize you have to sell your soul. You have to accept a thousand and one things that no intelligent person can accept. You have to support the status quo, the people who are in power, who have the money. You are just a puppet to them. Yes, it...

..., and started the story ten years after this incident: The king was becoming old and wanted somebody to guide him in the spiritual life, so he went to Gadivan Raikva with many chariots full of gold, money, valuable clothes. He offered everything to Raikva, touched his feet, and Raikva said - he used the word "sudra" for him. "Sudra" is the worst you can say to a man. It is...

... difficult to translate in English, so I will say, "You son-of-a-bitch! You think that by all this money you can purchase spiritual guidance? I spit on all your money - take it back!" This was the main emphasis in Vinoba's story, and he said, "These were the people who could throw all those valuable presents and say directly - even to the king - 'You are a sudra, the worst kind of human...

... being: untouchable. The very idea in your mind, that by money you can purchase spiritual guidance, makes you untouchable. Just take all this rubbish from here and don't come back to me.'" So Vinoba talked much about it, that this was the courage of the seers of India, that they could even insult a great king without being afraid. I was very puzzled, because those twelve widows were listening in...

... refused, and he was very angry. The prime minister said, "I knew it was going to happen. You must have forgotten: ten years before you had, in an auction, defeated Raikva; now if you want him to guide you, you take that woman rather than money. Offer the woman to the man. Touch his feet, ask his forgiveness, and he will guide you ...." He took the woman, and Raikva received him with great joy...

..., accepted him as a disciple and guided him into spirituality. I said, "These two parts you have dropped from the story. You are cheating these twelve widows. Now, what authority have you got to change the story? Who are you? On what grounds did you drop those two parts? - because without those two parts the story takes a totally different color. It seems as if Raikva is so high that money does not...

... matter to him, but the reality is that it is not a question of money. The woman that was taken from his hands matters too much to him. "And this man who carries for ten years a revengeful attitude, and for ten years is still lusting for the woman - what spiritual guidance can he give?" I asked him, "You tell me what spiritual guidance this man can give - and why you dropped these two...

..., the psychologists are offering their services to the parents, to the society, "Bring your boy or your girl and we will deprogram the person." And they do it. Of course, they charge enough money. And particularly in America they are very successful, for the simple reason that the American mind is always ready to change. It has not very deep roots in the past. Americans are the uprooted...

... seventy years old - has been coming here throughout the whole year, almost every month. He is a billionaire - and you know perfectly well I am not averse to money. Money is a perfectly beautiful method of exchanging things, one of the greatest inventions of man. It was so difficult before money came in. You had a camel to sell, but nobody was ready to purchase a camel. You had to find someone who wanted...

... a camel and was willing to give his two cows in barter. It must have been a very difficult world. Money has made it easier. You need not bother to find the purchaser, you can simply sell the camel and purchase the cows. It is one of the greatest inventions of man to make exchange easier. I am not averse to money. I want the whole world to become rich and luxurious. I say to you, "Blessed are...

... international corporations: he has the authority over all the money the family has. Naturally, they are afraid. But how to take a seventy-year-old man to a deprogrammer psychologist? They went alone, not taking him, to ask advice. The psychologist said, "It is really a difficult situation. Your people you can bring forcibly, but this old man you cannot bring forcibly. If you do, it is certain he will...

... American president to go on pouring money into nuclear weapons. And the amazing thing is, you have enough nuclear weapons to destroy humanity seven hundred times! Strange! I don't see the arithmetic. Have these politicians forgotten even the basic three r's? Russia and America both can destroy this planet seven hundred times. There is no need, one time is enough! You have already got weapons seven...